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Alphabet's Waymo Alleges Uber Stole Self-Driving Secrets

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Re: Alphabet's Waymo Alleges Uber Stole Self-Driving Secrets

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From another source to provide some colour: > According to a lawsuit filed today in federal court in California, Waymo accuses Anthony Levandowski, an engineer who left Google to found Otto and now serves as a top ranking Uber executive, stole 14,000 highly confidential documents from Google before departing to start his own company. Among the documents were schematics of a circuit board and details about radar and L…

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Re: Alphabet's Waymo Alleges Uber Stole Self-Driving Secrets

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post #38

I always was incredibly surprised at how quickly Uber had working self-driving cars (with the required, highly specialized hardware). Guess this explains it.

Because Uber hired experienced people from CMU (who probably also brought gigabytes of files with them).

Uber hired an entire experienced department from CMU.

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post #36

From another source to provide some colour: > According to a lawsuit filed today in federal court in California, Waymo accuses Anthony Levandowski, an engineer who left Google to found Otto and now serves as a top ranking Uber executive, stole 14,000 highly confidential documents from Google before departing to start his own company. Among the documents were schematics of a circuit board and details about radar and L…

> stole 14,000 highly confidential documents from Google before departing to start his own company Did they lock down access or were they all on google docs?

If you read the article:

  We found that six weeks before his resignation this former 
  employee, Anthony Levandowski, downloaded over 14,000 
  highly confidential and proprietary design files for 
  Waymo’s various hardware systems, including designs of 
  Waymo’s LiDAR and circuit board. To gain access to Waymo’s 
  design server, Mr. Levandowski searched for and installed 
  specialized software onto his company-issued laptop. Once 
  inside, he downloaded 9.7 GB of Waymo’s highly 
  confidential files and trade secrets, including 
  blueprints, design files and testing documentation. Then 
  he connected an external drive to the laptop. Mr. 
  Levandowski then wiped and reformatted the laptop in an 
  attempt to erase forensic fingerprints.

Re: Alphabet's Waymo Alleges Uber Stole Self-Driving Secrets

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post #37

From another source to provide some colour: > According to a lawsuit filed today in federal court in California, Waymo accuses Anthony Levandowski, an engineer who left Google to found Otto and now serves as a top ranking Uber executive, stole 14,000 highly confidential documents from Google before departing to start his own company. Among the documents were schematics of a circuit board and details about radar and L…

How does Google build such forsenics? Do they have spyware monitoring all their company laptops?

What? Most version control systems have authentication systems, I'm pretty sure Google has good reason to keep audit logs of employee's access to schematics.

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> stole 14,000 highly confidential documents from Google before departing to start his own company Did they lock down access or were they all on google docs?

If you read the article: We found that six weeks before his resignation this former employee, Anthony Levandowski, downloaded over 14,000 highly confidential and proprietary design files for Waymo’s various hardware systems, including designs of Waymo’s LiDAR and circuit board. To gain access to Waymo’s design server, Mr. Levandowski searched for and installed specialized software onto his company-issued laptop. Once…

Yep, I should have read all the way to the end. And now I can't delete so my idiocy as there for all.

Re: Alphabet's Waymo Alleges Uber Stole Self-Driving Secrets

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Google might have been better off with patents than trade secrets. There are financial penalties for theft of trade secrets, but once the secret is out, no injunctions. The one who stole it can use it. With patents, injunctions are available, although hard to get.

Anyway, several companies are developing automotive LIDAR units which are better than Google's rotating things. Quantergy and Velodyne claim to be close to low-cost solid state LIDARs, and ASC has good ones now at a high price point. (An ASC unit just docked the Dragon spacecraft with the ISS.) By the time this gets to court, Google's secret technology will be obsolete.

The question is whether Uber will defend Levandowski or leave him to twist slowly, slowly in the wind and go to jail.

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post #9

From another source to provide some colour: > According to a lawsuit filed today in federal court in California, Waymo accuses Anthony Levandowski, an engineer who left Google to found Otto and now serves as a top ranking Uber executive, stole 14,000 highly confidential documents from Google before departing to start his own company. Among the documents were schematics of a circuit board and details about radar and L…

Yea that's incredibly bad if that's what that guy did.. in general for EE designs, the schematic/layouts are not that hard to deduce how you would do it if you are in contact with the company that makes the LIDAR device (the unique and difficult part -- basically just need to ask them, like "yo, how roughly should I interface with this thing and whats your recommendation on a number of the components.. and can you gi…

It seems criminal. I remember an engineer from goldman sachs went to prison for doing something similar.

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post #11

From another source to provide some colour: > According to a lawsuit filed today in federal court in California, Waymo accuses Anthony Levandowski, an engineer who left Google to found Otto and now serves as a top ranking Uber executive, stole 14,000 highly confidential documents from Google before departing to start his own company. Among the documents were schematics of a circuit board and details about radar and L…

I'm sure it doesn't sit well with google that a group of guys left and started a self-driving company that very quickly was acquired for a ton of money.. Most likely google wants to get a piece of the action since essentially they practically deserve it if their IP is being used to help the company make their technology.

Why would it? Imagine being a Google/Alphabet shareholder.
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