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Dutch House of Representatives passes dragnet surveillance bill

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Re: Dutch House of Representatives passes dragnet surveillance bill

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Post by lucb1e »

akvadrako wrote: post #46
lucb1e wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Don't just look at the name. The PvdD also has a lot of good policies in terms of privacy and other social issues. Indeed, they do! That's why it's such a shame they're called PvdD because I don't have any particular affiliation with animals. I'm fine with them being treated well, but if that is so leading that they had to name their party like that, I am not sure it's a party I should vote for.

I think the name does a good job of presenting them as a party of compassion and recognising that we are also animals. Denying that part of our nature by pretending humans are especially rational is one leading cause of unworkable policies.

> and recognising that we are also animals.

Oh is that why they chose that name? Because I completely agree with that sentiment, but I thought the point of starting the party was to improve conditions for animals as opposed to only humans.

Re: Dutch House of Representatives passes dragnet surveillance bill

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Post by Vinnl »

Rubu wrote: post #33
Vinnl wrote: post #9

It's kind of odd that there's no Dutch version of this article (yet)... That said, I'm glad they're standing up for us.

There is: https://bof.nl/2017/02/14/kamer-kiest-voor-sleepnet-grootsch...

Hmm OK, then it's odd that I couldn't find it, but I guess I'm overestimating by browsing-fu :P

Thanks!

Re: Dutch House of Representatives passes dragnet surveillance bill

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Post by akvadrako »

lucb1e wrote: post #51
akvadrako wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the name does a good job of presenting them as a party of compassion and recognising that we are also animals. Denying that part of our nature by pretending humans are especially rational is one leading cause of unworkable policies.

> and recognising that we are also animals. Oh is that why they chose that name? Because I completely agree with that sentiment, but I thought the point of starting the party was to improve conditions for animals as opposed to only humans.

I don't know why they choose it, but I get the impression they are the party for all animals, including humans.

Re: Dutch House of Representatives passes dragnet surveillance bill

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Post by gpvos »

mvdwoord wrote: post #44
Ruud-v-A wrote: post #2

For the Dutch people here considering what to vote in the March elections, I made an overview of statements of the parties on privacy and internet freedom: https://goo.gl/roiqVJ

Out of curiosity, has anybody ever made a tool which compares past voting behaviour in stead of comparisons with political parties campaign programs? I found some minor discrepancies between campaign programs and actual voting behaviour in the past.. ;)

In previous years, the people who brought you the Stemwijzer also made the Stemmentracker, which does that. But this year, https://www.stemmentracker.nl/ just redirects to the Stemwijzer.

I found https://www.partijgedrag.nl/ using a Google search, didn't look at it much yet.

Re: Dutch House of Representatives passes dragnet surveillance bill

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Post by abandonliberty »

nonsince wrote: post #39

Oh for crying out loud, I just moved here from the UK in part because the government there kept pulling shit like this

This is emergent behavior from modern society's organizational & governing structures. Selective pressures reward these actions. Expect it to happen everywhere unless we implement some fundamental changes or new technologies to alter the risk/reward profile.

I have to recommend CGP Grey's rules for rulers, along with the death & dynasties followup.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs

Re: Dutch House of Representatives passes dragnet surveillance bill

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Post by rayiner »

pjc50 wrote: post #22
sgift wrote: post #16

As far as I understand Wikipedia there is no court comparable to the German Federal Constitutional Court, which could block such a law if it violated the Dutch constitution. Is that correct?

The ECJ is the highest relevant court here; there have been rulings that some kinds of mass surveillance breach human rights, most recently http://hudoc.echr.coe.int/eng?i=001-160020 (ECHR has much the same role of power limitation in Europe as constitutional law. Germany has additional protections because of its history.)

It's mind boggling to me that people in the Netherlands would decide to let some court in Luxembourg overturn its domestic laws.

Re: Dutch House of Representatives passes dragnet surveillance bill

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Post by gpvos »

gpvos wrote: post #54
mvdwoord wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, has anybody ever made a tool which compares past voting behaviour in stead of comparisons with political parties campaign programs? I found some minor discrepancies between campaign programs and actual voting behaviour in the past.. ;)

In previous years, the people who brought you the Stemwijzer also made the Stemmentracker, which does that. But this year, https://www.stemmentracker.nl/ just redirects to the Stemwijzer. I found https://www.partijgedrag.nl/ using a Google search, didn't look at it much yet.

Someone I know told me that the Stemmentracker is offline due to legal problems with their cookies. Weird.

Re: Dutch House of Representatives passes dragnet surveillance bill

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Post by cryptarch »

cryptarch wrote: post #31
lucb1e wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> privacy and internet freedom: goo.gl Is a little ironic.

I agree, so I reuploaded it on riseup: blob: https://share.riseup.net/43c16173-b82e-4914-8608-4d74a331754... Sorry for violating your copyright! Feel free to DMCA.

The link is died, here's a fresh one:

PDF blob: https://share.riseup.net/#7iXUTUFLKaWTe1y17YZRrA

Re: Dutch House of Representatives passes dragnet surveillance bill

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Post by cryptarch »

arianvanp wrote: post #42
cryptarch wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, so I reuploaded it on riseup: blob: https://share.riseup.net/43c16173-b82e-4914-8608-4d74a331754... Sorry for violating your copyright! Feel free to DMCA.

As you can see, it is Kopimi http://www.kopimi.com/ :)

Thanks for reminding me of Kopimi! I ignored the logo as I recognized it as just a personal watermark.

Re: Dutch House of Representatives passes dragnet surveillance bill

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Post by crafti »

lucb1e wrote: post #19
De_Delph wrote: post #17

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Vote Piratenpartij if you're serious about privacy/security. For other parties it's just a 'side issue'.

The pirate party is awfully specific, like the pvdd (party for animal welfare; partij voor de dieren). I would love to vote for the pirate party if they would just stick to IT, but they can't: if someone gets into parliament, they suddenly have to decide on everything. I'm serious about privacy and IT stuff, but I am also serious about education and peace. Calling your party the animal party, 50+ party, pirate party,…

Pirate Parties around the world are more than just IT issues. They're civil liberties and social inclusion parties.
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