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Re: In Support of Free Speech

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

By your logic where does anyone that doesn't condemn BLM stand?

When has BLM called for the extermination of anyone?

I consider throwing bricks as speaking through action: http://www.npr.org/2016/07/11/485593473/black-lives-matter-p...

Re: In Support of Free Speech

#52
post #12

Being liberal doesn't mean that you block everything that the other side is doing. It's also about being open and accepting to others and their views. Shopify did the right thing here.

Being liberal does not require accepting Nazis. I will defend their right to hold their views and say what they want, but they have no right to do business with a particular e-commerce site.

Re: In Support of Free Speech

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HN news mods are slowly becoming Slashdot mods with stories like this.

Submissions are by HN members. The guidelines clearly state that the title should not be modified unless clearly link bait:

[P]lease use the original title, unless it is misleading or link bait.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

When the mods are aware that a title has been unnecessarily editorialized, from what I've observed they always update the title, either back to the original or to something conforming to the guidelines in the case of egregiously bad original titles.

If you see a title that's been editorialized, make a comment (as others have done here), and if it's something you feel particularly strongly about, contact the mods via the Contact link in the footer.

Re: In Support of Free Speech

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http://lifehacker.com/5953755/what-exactly-is-freedom-of-spe... Freedom of speech refer's to a government's responsibility to protect freedom of speech. Private organizations are not held to that same standard. This is why websites can choose their advertisers and why reddit can ban a subreddit. Shopify should censor Breitbart.

Hacker news users were all up in arms when US financial giants VISA, MasterCard, PayPal, the Bank of America and Western Union engaged in a banking blockade against WikiLeaks. The argument was that these companies should be neutral in their dealings.

I actually agree with you that Freedom of Speech does not compel any 3rd party to provide a platform for that speech. Shopify is perfectly within it's rights to deny a platform for anyone it chooses. However, I feel that's a race to the bottom. You have to be comfortable with companies discriminating against organizations you agree with as well.

Re: In Support of Free Speech

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being a Nazi is a priori violent. They have declared an intent to commit genocide by subscribing to that ideology. They ought to be excluded from society at every turn, because their goal is the destruction of our society and the mass murder of our peers.

How the hell is breitbart even remotely comparable to nazis ?

"White nationalism" is rebranded Nazi ideology. And brietbart is assuredly white nationalist. I figure they had to change the name so recruits wouldn't be afraid of being hanged at The Hague.

Edit: Here's a piece highlighting some examples - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/15/ca...

Re: In Support of Free Speech

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post #27

http://lifehacker.com/5953755/what-exactly-is-freedom-of-spe... Freedom of speech refer's to a government's responsibility to protect freedom of speech. Private organizations are not held to that same standard. This is why websites can choose their advertisers and why reddit can ban a subreddit. Shopify should censor Breitbart.

No, freedom of speech refers to the -ability- to speak freely. The _1st amendment_ refers to the government. If, after speaking out against abuses by your employer, you find yourself fired and blackballed from any decent job due to corporate collusion, your freedom of speech is harmed, even though the government never got involved.

Re: In Support of Free Speech

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post #53

HN news mods are slowly becoming Slashdot mods with stories like this.

Submissions are by HN members. The guidelines clearly state that the title should not be modified unless clearly link bait: [P]lease use the original title, unless it is misleading or link bait. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html When the mods are aware that a title has been unnecessarily editorialized, from what I've observed they always update the title, either back to the original or to something con…

Your guidelines don't cover obvious bias in the headline as it exists without modification.

If you couldn't see the bias off the bat, make room for those who do, please, so this site may continue to improve unlike the rest.

Re: In Support of Free Speech

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post #50

Refusing to voluntarily engage in commerce is hardly censorship. All this post is saying is "We're totally fine with neo-Nazis, so long as we make some money from them." A principled boycott is not censorship, it is further free expression. Shame on shopify for abandoning principles in favor of profit.

The Nazis are the folks calling for censorship. The Ctrl-left folks better do some introspection or they will be next. http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/317248-dnc-boots-candid...

What I see is a bigot being censured. Arguably someone that islamophobic has no place in a civilized debate.

Re: In Support of Free Speech

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Submissions are by HN members. The guidelines clearly state that the title should not be modified unless clearly link bait: [P]lease use the original title, unless it is misleading or link bait. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html When the mods are aware that a title has been unnecessarily editorialized, from what I've observed they always update the title, either back to the original or to something con…

Your guidelines don't cover obvious bias in the headline as it exists without modification. If you couldn't see the bias off the bat, make room for those who do, please, so this site may continue to improve unlike the rest.

To boot, on a prior subject - give me a font that works in BRAILLE for capitalization, please.

Because most of the traffic which I direct to YOU is from BLIND PEOPLE - in which my ALL CAPS is the ONLY thing they can discern as NOTHING exists for italicization font-wise in that domain.

Re: In Support of Free Speech

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The decision to continue to work with Breitbart aside, this post shows the failure of civics education in this country.

> Products are a form of speech, and free speech must be fiercely protected, even if we disagree with some of the voices.

The right to free speech that's protected in our constitution refers to speech being protected from the government. Nowhere in our constitution does it state that other individuals and businesses need to support the speech of others. It's a common misunderstanding of the first amendment. You could argue that by not censoring speech you find distasteful, you're adhering to the principles of the first amendment that people should be able to say whatever they choose without reprisal. But you could just as easily argue that in refusing to support speech you find harmful to this country, you're exercising your own constitutionally-protected right to freedom of expression. The important point is that the first amendment protects both Breitbart and anyone refusing to work with Breitbart from government punishment or silencing of that speech. And, in what might be more relevant to Shopify, the first amendment also protects anyone who wishes to advocate for a boycott of Shopify.

They would have had a stronger argument if they talked about discrimination. Their decision shares more in common with the decisions that other businesses have made to discriminate against people by not serving them. The oft-publicized example is religious bakers that won't make wedding cakes for gay couples. The difference being that what Breitbart is doing does not make them part of a protected class.

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