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Microsoft's browsers return to losing habits, fall to 25% share

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Re: Microsoft's browsers return to losing habits, fall to 25% share

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Post by Piskvorrr »

NTripleOne wrote: post #50
Piskvorrr wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure about Android, but is cold boot time representative of anything? Personally, I do that two-three times a day, max. Open/close tabs, now that happens all the time. (To be precise: I don't care which browser does it fastest. All I care is that I don't perceive latency - milliseconds do not matter, hundreds of milliseconds do)

Well in that case, warm booting chrome is even faster again.

Good. As long as there's competition, this will put pressure on all browser makers to keep theirs fast as well.

Re: Microsoft's browsers return to losing habits, fall to 25% share

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Post by r00fus »

HugoDaniel wrote: post #18
r00fus wrote: post #15

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For good reason. Microsoft left their browser dev abandoned for 5 years after they "won" their bitter war against Netscape. And only the Firefox (nee Phoenix) browser rising from the ashes of Netscape fought on. Edge is a decent browser, but Microsoft was not kind nor to be trusted back then. They have to earn their new trust. On the open-source front we now have several great browsers - Safari/Webkit (which is very…

If you include Safari/Webkit on that list then don't forget to also include Edge/Chakra[0] ;) [0] https://github.com/Microsoft/ChakraCore

Is Edge cross-platform on significant platforms?

Re: Microsoft's browsers return to losing habits, fall to 25% share

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Post by kyriakos »

NTripleOne wrote: post #23
kyriakos wrote: post #3

won't be really hard to improve the market share: - make edge cross platform. - make the extensions system on par with chromes and as easy to launch an extension - fix its UI lag on Windows 10 - maybe open source it

Out of curiosity, what do you mean by UI lag? I've not used a massive amount of Edge but I don't remember it being particularly laggy?

Opening a new tab on Edge for me takes 2-3 seconds - and it feels like it freezes while the page loads. On the same machine Chrome and Firefox peform much better in this respect.

p.s. when the page loads in Edge its actually quite fast and scrolling feels smoother than other browsers - but the initial delay breaks the whole experience for me.

Re: Microsoft's browsers return to losing habits, fall to 25% share

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Post by kyriakos »

brianwawok wrote: post #8
kyriakos wrote: post #3

won't be really hard to improve the market share: - make edge cross platform. - make the extensions system on par with chromes and as easy to launch an extension - fix its UI lag on Windows 10 - maybe open source it

I don't think adding OSX or Linux users will fix the problem. Nor will open or closed source.

having a consistent browser experience over multiple platforms is an added feature for many users. e.g. I install chrome in all platforms I use.

Re: Microsoft's browsers return to losing habits, fall to 25% share

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Post by brianwawok »

kyriakos wrote: post #54
brianwawok wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think adding OSX or Linux users will fix the problem. Nor will open or closed source.

having a consistent browser experience over multiple platforms is an added feature for many users. e.g. I install chrome in all platforms I use.

My point is OSX + Linux is like 5% of the desktop OS. No matter how awesome Edge team made it, 1-2% more users will do VERY VERY little compared to the 50% of users they have lost on desktop machines in the past 5 years. They would be absolutely insane to even spend 1 money on adding new OSX users when Windows users (who get their app for FREE and with NO WORK) are leaving left and right. Gotta fix the bleeding before you worry about the lipstick.

Re: Microsoft's browsers return to losing habits, fall to 25% share

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Post by NTripleOne »

kyriakos wrote: post #53
NTripleOne wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, what do you mean by UI lag? I've not used a massive amount of Edge but I don't remember it being particularly laggy?

Opening a new tab on Edge for me takes 2-3 seconds - and it feels like it freezes while the page loads. On the same machine Chrome and Firefox peform much better in this respect. p.s. when the page loads in Edge its actually quite fast and scrolling feels smoother than other browsers - but the initial delay breaks the whole experience for me.

That's odd, using edge on my (low horsepower) work machine now, there doesn't appear to be any kind of delays in opening a tab or loading a page.

I'll admit that I don't actually like edge's scrolling very much, I think it's the [de/ac]celeration curves - but that's a purely preference thing.

Re: Microsoft's browsers return to losing habits, fall to 25% share

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Post by kyriakos »

brianwawok wrote: post #55
kyriakos wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

having a consistent browser experience over multiple platforms is an added feature for many users. e.g. I install chrome in all platforms I use.

My point is OSX + Linux is like 5% of the desktop OS. No matter how awesome Edge team made it, 1-2% more users will do VERY VERY little compared to the 50% of users they have lost on desktop machines in the past 5 years. They would be absolutely insane to even spend 1 money on adding new OSX users when Windows users (who get their app for FREE and with NO WORK) are leaving left and right. Gotta fix the bleeding befor…

You're forgetting Mobile. Using Chrome on android and Windows gives you the benefit of shared accounts, shared passwords, bookmarks and history.

Re: Microsoft's browsers return to losing habits, fall to 25% share

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Post by HugoDaniel »

r00fus wrote: post #52
HugoDaniel wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you include Safari/Webkit on that list then don't forget to also include Edge/Chakra[0] ;) [0] https://github.com/Microsoft/ChakraCore

Is Edge cross-platform on significant platforms?

It works on my xbox one
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