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I was trained for the culture wars in home school

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Re: I was trained for the culture wars in home school

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Post by vedranm »

noelwelsh wrote: post #14
kartan wrote: post #4

High-quality free state-run secular schools is one of the most important social achievements. In that schools a new generation can grow and learn while minimizing radicalization. That new generation meets people from different cultures and religion since they are children and learn to accept the differences. This doesn't solves all problems, is not a silver bulled, but it improves society at large. I never understood…

I believe another important piece is the Fairness doctrine ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_Doctrine ) which forced news outlets in the US to present balanced news. Reagan killed this in 1987. It's made it much easier to live in a bubble. Fox News (and possibly most of the current US TV news; I'm not sure) couldn't exist if this doctrine was in place. The US has allowed many policies that has divided its peop…

Find it funny that you mention Fox News as biased. I find the other big three (CNN, NBC, ABC) unreadable/unwatchable, while Fox News is kind of OK. I prefer RT to any of them, though.

Re: I was trained for the culture wars in home school

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Post by vedranm »

kartan wrote: post #4

High-quality free state-run secular schools is one of the most important social achievements. In that schools a new generation can grow and learn while minimizing radicalization. That new generation meets people from different cultures and religion since they are children and learn to accept the differences. This doesn't solves all problems, is not a silver bulled, but it improves society at large. I never understood…

>High-quality free state-run secular schools is one of the most important social achievements.

Libertarian here. I find this idea a joke, and I believe in it just as much as the person who made the comment with "High quality state run Party schools" does. State-run schools (secular or not) is a great way to make sure that there is only one point which you need to overtake (through elections or corruption) when you want to push your ideology through the school system.

>I never understood why in the USA parents are allowed to radicalize their children out of society.

I never understood why in the USA the state is allowed to indoctrinate everyone's children into their version of Ideal Vision of Society(tm)(r)(c)(patent pending). This is not a clash of religion vs secularism, it's about individual freedom vs state power. If you are interested in understanding the side that advocates individual freedom, I would suggest reading [1], [2], and wherever the links take you on that blog.

[1] https://anarchistnotebook.com/2016/10/19/dont-let-your-enemy...

[2] https://anarchistnotebook.com/2014/09/20/satanic/

Re: I was trained for the culture wars in home school

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Post by vedranm »

There is a number of usual Left wing talking points which advocate violating freedom of association and therefore don't fit the classical liberal or libertarian world view [1]. Two more grave errors:

>They know Trump is easily manipulated and will change his mind with the wind if it makes him feel more powerful and famous. Trump couldn’t care less about policy, a fact he’s made quite obvious.

This is a very strong claim to make about someone whose every move in the Office thus far has been promised and rehearsed during the campaign.

>The revolution has come and we are the resistance.

I find this claim funny given that the Left has overtook the universities, the media, and Hollywood, and did so quite often using the tactics outlined in Rules for Radicals by Saul Alinsky [2]. (Even Hillary Clinton wrote about Alinsky in her thesis [3].) Only with the rise of the Internet could this stranglehold of power be challenged, was challenged, and Trump won.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6ln5bhcWcI

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_for_Radicals

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Rodham_senior_thesis

Re: I was trained for the culture wars in home school

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Post by new299 »

guard-of-terra wrote: post #48
new299 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think I wasn't clear on my meaning of "civil liberties". My meaning was this you can argue the following: That home schooling is a kind of basic human right. That there are some rights that a parent has to determine how their child is brought up. I'm not making that argument. But I would be interested in hearing it. And hearing a justification for it. Sounds like the Ursula K. Le Guin story is exploring individual…

I can't understand why are you arguing for school if you didn't like it at all? Do you honestly think you're so unique that everybody else has different experience? Because many of us don't. I think that home schooling is a basic human right, just like choosing where to live and what job to take. That's because we are human and not ants. School for which there are no alternatives is a small Gulag camp.

I think it's possible that other students had a different experience to me. I think it's possible that other students would have been much worse off without going to school.

I'd like to see more data, to better understand the situation.

Re: I was trained for the culture wars in home school

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Post by thescribe »

gambiting wrote: post #9
kartan wrote: post #4

High-quality free state-run secular schools is one of the most important social achievements. In that schools a new generation can grow and learn while minimizing radicalization. That new generation meets people from different cultures and religion since they are children and learn to accept the differences. This doesn't solves all problems, is not a silver bulled, but it improves society at large. I never understood…

I genuinely believe that home schooling shouldn't be allowed, except for kids with disabilities which stop them from leaving home. It just seems to me that Americans fear radical islam, while extremely radical Christianity grows right under their noses. I agree that free state-run secular schools are the way to go for modern society.

Would you be willing to elaborate on why the state should run schools? I am probably as extreme the other way as it is possible to be, but I'd like to understand where you are coming from.

Re: I was trained for the culture wars in home school

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Post by bambax »

DougN7 wrote: post #42
bambax wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> this is an intelligent, thoughtful community I really, really don't think so. "Jesus" (who probably never even existed) isn't the problem, though. Religions are. That they should be "respected" as just a normal human behavior is the problem. That superstition should be considered seriously instead of being fought, esp. in young minds, is the problem. That separate schools should exist in the name of superstition, t…

The next time people on HN say they don't see intolerance or contempt for religious folks on HN, I'll point them to this comment as an excellent example of both. Origin stories are hard, if not impossible, to answer. Sure, we have the Big Bang. I've read the thing that exploded was estimated to be the size of a grapefruit. So where did the magic exploding grapefruit come from? The Big Bang pushes the quest back 13 bi…

How do religions help answer origin stories?? If the universe was created by God then who created God? If God "has always existed" then why can't the same be true of the universe? This is "turtles all the way down" over again.

About your last sentence: the hardest part of not believing in God is not having the consolation of thinking your enemies will burn in hell -- I don't miss heaven for myself but I do miss hell for other people.

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