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Doomsday Prep for the Super-rich

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Re: Doomsday Prep for the Super-rich

#52

So this is actually something I've thought a lot about, in terms of whether it's actually rational to be a prepper or if it's just a fun hobby. In nominal terms, your risk of dying in a society-wide collapse is actually larger than your risk of dying in a car accident.[1] So if you wouldn't think twice about taking basic steps to lower your chances of vehicle death (e.g. wearing a seatbelt) then it's absolutely ratio…

I'm really curious what those guidelines are. I don't see them listed in that link.

Re: Doomsday Prep for the Super-rich

#53
post #42

So. You're not one of the 0.1%. Society "collapsed", whatever than means. You did go through hardship, hunger, lack of Instagram, pain, loss of loved ones, loss of property but also amazing feats of solidarity and human compassion. It still doesn't really look OK and you're daily mourning the life you and society lost. Then there lands a Gulfstream, out climbs a well fed billionaire straight out his fancy bunker. The…

Envy does not justify murder. Most modern philosophers have taken the view that envy itself is immoral.

>Envy does not justify murder

In a post apocalyptic society it's kill or be killed.

Re: Doomsday Prep for the Super-rich

#54

I grew up in a 3rd world small farm, raising pigs, chicken, setting traps and planting a bunch of stuff, not to mention a light version of WROL (without rule of law). Reading this article I feel that I'm more prepared for the apocalypse than all the "super-rich"...

Because you absolutely are. I've always thought that anybody who seriously thinks society is going to collapse should just move to a developing country, buy a farm, and get-on getting-on. Because there's really no way to prepare other than to get started on your post-collapse life. I grew up on a farm in very rural USA and we often face mini-"disasters". The roads would be impassable due to snow, power would go out f…

> we often face mini-"disasters"

True! I remember one time when our transformer blew up, and we lived for several weeks without electricity until we got a replacement.

Nothing like listening to the world cup on a battery-powered radio. Fun times!

Re: Doomsday Prep for the Super-rich

#55
post #25

I was afraid this article was going to upset me, but in fact it doesn't shy away from the more difficult questions, namely A/ the reason we're "skating on really thin cultural ice right now" is in no small part due to the emergence and dominance of social media, so it's quite rich that the people responsible for chaos are trying to protect themselves from it B/ it's quite morally repugnant to want to survive alone if…

Would you elaborate on B a bit? I don't quite see the moral value judgment in surviving while society collapses.

Everyone is part of society. If society "collapses" (which can take many forms), the responsible, respectable reaction is to stay with it and try to restore it, not cut it loose -- retract to a shelter somewhere with "lots of guns and ammo" to wait it out.

When disaster strikes it may be very natural and expected to save oneself, if possible. That's survival instinct. But prepare for it is not admirable, to say the least. It's being selfish with intent.

Max Levchin says this in the article "It’s one of the few things about Silicon Valley that I actively dislike—the sense that we are superior giants who move the needle and, even if it’s our own failure, must be spared."

Re: Doomsday Prep for the Super-rich

#56
post #46

Having grown up in poverty in a third world country that is extremely chaotic, the doomsday obsession in America is laughable and a little disturbing at the same time. Society doesn't break down like that. Can someone explain why is there such paranoia in the US about societal collapse ? It it video games, movies, media frenzy, hyper partisan politics ? All of it ? I know people who have created bunkers and stock pil…

We have an even-increasing supply of dangerous nuclear weapons on this planet, and no short supply of individuals who may want to use them. I can envision a lot of scenarios from that which could lead to societal breakdown.

Re: Doomsday Prep for the Super-rich

#57
post #7

I've got a titanium spork and some dental floss in my backpack and in the trunk of my car I've got a hi-vis vest, white hard hat, and a two-way radio. Am I missing anything? Are some of these prepper people are missing out on the key concept that to live by your wits you need wits? Or maybe they're aware of that and that's why they stockpile the shotgun shells and dehydrated water capsules...?

+10 on the dental floss. I've been trying to find a way to buy (the remainder of) a lifetime's supply in case of thermonuclear war.

Once out of floss, I can either pull my teeth out (Well, OK, every _other_ tooth) or kill myself. Life w/o floss is unimaginable.

Re: Doomsday Prep for the Super-rich

#58
post #42

So. You're not one of the 0.1%. Society "collapsed", whatever than means. You did go through hardship, hunger, lack of Instagram, pain, loss of loved ones, loss of property but also amazing feats of solidarity and human compassion. It still doesn't really look OK and you're daily mourning the life you and society lost. Then there lands a Gulfstream, out climbs a well fed billionaire straight out his fancy bunker. The…

Envy does not justify murder. Most modern philosophers have taken the view that envy itself is immoral.

Try to explain that to a hungry crowd watching your well-fed family leaving a bunker.

"Oh please, what you're doing is morally wrong. Shame on you!"

Re: Doomsday Prep for the Super-rich

#59
post #12

reddit may be valued at 600 million (orl?) but steve huffman's net worth is in the millions/tens of millions at most. you wouldn't call him super rich when he can barely afford a nice house in Palo Alto :)

Agree, "super-rich" makes me think of Zuckerberg, Saudi princes, Russian oligarchs, etc. - "buy a yacht because you're bored" types.

Re: Doomsday Prep for the Super-rich

#60
Let's be real- this article is more a lifestyle piece on the excessively prepared, i.e. type A, silicon valley super achievers. Apparently, this is an article about these folks who have their shit together so far ahead the rest of us, that this otherwise genius for productivity goes into form of deranged overdrive.

Let's also look at this article's source, the New Yorker, as a vicarious observer and critic of anything that veers off their path of caring/obsessing about depresssing novelists/filmmaker s and actors, fashion, and all things analogue as the solution to the salvation of the light of humanity and culture, of which they perceive themselves as the clear torchbearers.

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