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Trying to Keep the Internet Safe from Warrantless NSA Surveillance

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Re: Trying to Keep the Internet Safe from Warrantless NSA Surveillance

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Post by drinkjuice »

Bombthecat wrote: post #50

I feel like it will just get worse and worse. No turn back possible anymore. Maybe in fifty or hundred years we can talk about it again. For now. It will just get worse.

If it will "just get worse" then there will be no "again".

Frankly, elsewhere people get jailed for speaking their mind, and you know what some of them do? Speak their mind. We face pretty much no repercussions other than it not being so fun to discuss it, some people pouting because it holds up the mirror to their cowardice, so we.. don't? Nah. This is the only way worms can get power, by giants lying down and falling asleep. So maybe just don't.

Re: Trying to Keep the Internet Safe from Warrantless NSA Surveillance

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Post by drinkjuice »

sandworm101 wrote: post #37

Warrantless? Thats really splitting hairs. Warrants arent a problem for national governments. The goal must remain protection against all surveillance ... full stop. There is no room for backdoors, even for those with warrants.

push, meet shove.

https://techcrunch.com/2013/07/06/tools-for-treason/

Re: Trying to Keep the Internet Safe from Warrantless NSA Surveillance

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Post by late2part »

newsat13 wrote: post #11
late2part wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We implicity permit Google to have our info. We have not given informed consent to allow our government to take this data. Therefore it is an unreasonable search and seizure of our property.

This is incorrect. Most people don't realize this. Do you consent your car to store all your location information in the cloud? What if TV started storing all things you watch in the cloud? Tomorrow, if all the car/tv manufacturers started doing this, what choice do you have? No, the option is not "do not use cars/tv". And tbh, I don't even think 80% of the population is cognizant about what is being collected and wh…

It's in the EULA, hence the implicit permission.

Re: Trying to Keep the Internet Safe from Warrantless NSA Surveillance

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Post by nl »

gist wrote: post #35

> and even invited Russia to hack the emails of his political opponent For the 1000th time. He didn't (and it's amazing how often this gets repeated) 'invite' them. He said they should release the documents if they already had them. Note the story line and then the exact quote here: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/trump-putin-no-relatio... "I hope you are able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing". Is not…

I think a reasonable person could interprete that quote both ways. I'd note that the politico headline you linked says "Trump urges Russia to hack Clinton's email", and it is only a campaign spokesperson who said the opposite.

Re: Trying to Keep the Internet Safe from Warrantless NSA Surveillance

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Post by mastazi »

smokeyj wrote: post #19
Fnoord wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We can't do anything about Google though. Yes, we can! Don't use Google, or use certain settings in the applications which enhance your privacy. The default settings are not always the best settings for the user. Don't use Google Search. Use a search engine which respects your privacy such as the scraper DuckDuckGo (DDG). Don't use Gmail. Use an e-mail provider which doesn't scan through your e-mail. Where you got…

But you can't avoid google analytics..

Try Privacy Badger, made by the Electronic Frontier Foundation. It protects you from many trackers, not only Google's, for example it disables the tracking capabilities of Facebook like buttons. https://www.eff.org/privacybadger

Re: Trying to Keep the Internet Safe from Warrantless NSA Surveillance

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Post by ch4s3 »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #48
jMyles wrote: post #2

Very nice. Nothing new here, but this is a great summary to share with people who are less familiar with internet architecture and want to get up to speed with this particular facet of (seemingly illegal) surveillance. However, I want to quickly point out one omission in the discussion of the risks of allowing this kind of activity to continue: If the NSA is effectively spying on everybody who communicates with a ser…

> this is a great summary to share with people who are less familiar with Unfortunately, the people I know who need to read this the most consider "aclu" is a dirty word.

Sadly many of the people protected by the ACLU have been convinced by marketing and propaganda that the ACLu wants to destroy America.

Re: Trying to Keep the Internet Safe from Warrantless NSA Surveillance

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Post by ch4s3 »

gist wrote: post #35

> and even invited Russia to hack the emails of his political opponent For the 1000th time. He didn't (and it's amazing how often this gets repeated) 'invite' them. He said they should release the documents if they already had them. Note the story line and then the exact quote here: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/trump-putin-no-relatio... "I hope you are able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing". Is not…

>For the 1000th time. He didn't (and it's amazing how often this gets repeated) 'invite' them. He said they should release the documents if they already had them.

The direct quote is as follows:

“I will tell you this, Russia: If you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,”

It's hardly a stretch to read this as an invitation, despite the later claims of his handlers.

Re: Trying to Keep the Internet Safe from Warrantless NSA Surveillance

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Post by Fnoord »

drinkjuice wrote: post #49
Fnoord wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I keep hearing that, I just never see it. There are a lot of things nobody wants which corporations push in unison because they want them. And that's not even accounting for the meddling of the marketing department, which does matter. [In my reply I'll be mostly specific to TVs. Cars is -at least for me- a more complex topic due to AI which I don't want to argue against because I am reluctantly positive about this…

> Demand has shifted. Customer perceives a smart TV as more capable. Also see "not accounting for the meddling of the marketing department" - not all things just "happen". And while you make good points about streaming (having to schedule yourself around broadcasts is a huge drawback, after all) TV getting "smarter" and them being the way they are are still not exactly the same thing.

Its not that TV is smarter; it had to catch up. SUN used to say the network is the computer. Everything is both nowadays.

The consumer/customer can use any device with internet (PC, laptop, tablet, phone) to watch a TV series a few hours (?) right after or even during broadcast. Those devices can also be used to watch YouTube and all the other streaming platforms whereas a traditional TV can't. I wouldn't assume malice. I suppose the thought was "wait, what. More functionality than TV? We can compete with that."

Except that these onboard 'computers' on TV are weak, and profit margins are apparently too low to increase that. Which means you end up with something similar as the mess of Android. Devices with firmware too expensive to maintain.

Like I said, I use an old monitor as TV. My personal belief is TV as we know it is dying. We're going to see a merge of monitor and TV soon (with monitor capable being a TV) and the elder will be able to watch TV the traditional way. But youth generally don't. This means funding of public broadcast TV like BBC in UK and NPO in NL will get cut. Its a downward spiral, already set in process long ago in 90s.

Disclosure: I'm not from USA though.

Re: Trying to Keep the Internet Safe from Warrantless NSA Surveillance

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Post by pharrlax »

leesalminen wrote: post #26
newsat13 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I hate it when this starts out with Trump bashing. Obama is much more guilty. I am not an american, so I don't exactly understand what the term 'liberal' means. Spying on your own people without warrant? More discussion here - https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/5o1ovy/with_only...

Heh, that's funny. I am American and don't understand the meaning of the terms "liberal" and "conservative" in our modern culture.

Ideology is basically meaningless. American politics is entirely tribalism.

The Democrats spent 8 years decrying the myriad ways the executive branch violated the Constitution under George W. Then Obama takes power and basically continues or expands nearly all of them, and with only a small handful of exceptions, the Democrats stop caring and forget entirely.

The Republicans spend 8 years decrying overspending and the national debt under Obama, even organizing an enormous 'Tea Party' movement predicated around resistance to it. Then, as Trump is taking power, they rally around a budget that will increase the national debt by 50%.

Ideology is an extremely loose set of guidelines that are only really adhered to in a coherent way by a tiny handful of true believers (folks like Bernie Sanders or Justin Amash). By and large, politics is purely about power -- once you win, all that matters is erasing any past victories claimed by the other party and then doing whatever will please your donors so you can win the next time.

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