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The closest I've ever come to falling for a Gmail phishing attack

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Re: The closest I've ever come to falling for a Gmail phishing attack

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Must do surely. The attackers would have your email and password but wouldn't be able to login?

What is stopping them from showing the TFA screen and asking for you to type the number?

Well, Google TFA doesn't ask you to type your number (and others only some digits) so it probably would rise a red flag big enough to "awake you" from auto-pilot, I hope.

Re: The closest I've ever come to falling for a Gmail phishing attack

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post #35

I reported this a back in March 2016, and Google said it was not an issue. Analysed whole attack here: https://gist.github.com/timruffles/5c76d2b61c88188e77f6 This was the response I got: > The address bar remains one of the few trusted UI components of the browsers and is the only one that can be relied upon as to what origin are the users currently visiting. If the users pay no attention to the address bar, phishin…

That's a real shame. There are certainly things they could do to prevent images looking quite so similar to UI elements.

And stop people emailing screen shots?

The best approach I can come up with after five seconds thought is disabling links on non-text elements.

And then they go make an anchor that is whitespace over top of a background image... so we'd also need to disable links on large expanses of empty whitespace in text when its embedded in a mail.

I should think that can likely be worked around too, however. Got any more ideas?

Re: The closest I've ever come to falling for a Gmail phishing attack

#53
Had the same exact experience in August.

Amazing thing was I KNEW the email was phishing. I was asked to look at it by someone internally who was suspicious. I forwarded it to a Gmail account I use for dodgy items. I fired up a VM and logged in to the Gmail account. I looked at the email. I briefly examined the raw message (too briefly). Then I clicked on what I still thought was a Google Drive attachment.

My first thought was "oh I've been logged out of Gmail for some reason". I was just about to login again when I decided to double check the URL and finally saw what was going on.

I think most normal users would be very vulnerable to this. It's very subtle. Luckily the guy in accounts is paranoid.

Re: The closest I've ever come to falling for a Gmail phishing attack

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post #5

Thanks for sharing this - this is fiendishly clever. Even with all the investment in infosec, we're still woefully unprepared to deal with this type of attack. We need to start thinking about new approaches to protect users.

It's a hard problem but the industry isn't doing as much as it could do. There's low hanging fruit that has gone unharvested for years at most big companies. 1. Reform the browser address bar. Safari does this right. Chrome, IMHO shamefully, does not. The address bar is completely ignored by a large fraction (I've read it's about 25%) of users because it's full of meaningless technobabble. These users navigate entire…

> 1. Reform the browser address bar. Safari does this right. Chrome, IMHO shamefully, does not. ... The address bar should show the domain name only, or the EV identity when that's present,

Chrome on Android does this. And it's extremely annoying. Since mobile browsers (and desktop browsers with tabs) usually don't show the title of pages, the address bar is the only place to tell e.g. what Wikipedia page you're currently reading.

You are probably correct, that it's a win for security, but I wish it could be turned off.

Re: The closest I've ever come to falling for a Gmail phishing attack

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Sysadmin at a school: we use GMail for our students and faculty, and we got hit by this hard right before the holiday break. Three employees and a handful of students all got hit by the attack within a two hour period. It's the most sophisticated attack I've seen. The attackers log in to your account immediately once they get the credentials, and they use one of your actual attachments, along with one of your actual…

Holy crap. That is some serious ingenuity and skill being applied to the cause of evil.

Re: The closest I've ever come to falling for a Gmail phishing attack

#57

To stop being phished always check the domain name and for HTTPS before entering passwords.

Don't trust HTTPS, any malicious site can get certificate very easily. I once almost fell for a smart Airbnb phishing attack. At some point, I was directed to https://www.airbnb.com.eubook.net/en/instant/rooms/2685603?c... to complete my booking. Website had perfectly valid SSL cert (doesn't anymore) and more importantly, check out the domain name ! Almost missed the .eubook.net part!

HTTPS only means "you are securely accessing this particular domain" not "the operators of this domain are nice people".

Re: The closest I've ever come to falling for a Gmail phishing attack

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post #50

The aim of EV certificates is to reduce such risks and highlight to the user the legitimacy of such websites. HTTPS alone only provides encryption. Google doesn't use EV anywhere but I feel it should on login pages especially given it is a high phishing target.

I'm not an expert, but as I understand, they don't actually use password fields on phishing pages. Instead they use normal text fields and fake password dots. So I'm not sure if they can be identified as login pages. ETA: another parent comment talks about the same thing.

In general they should use EV site wide rather than just login pages just to help confirm it is the correct legitimate website.

Re: The closest I've ever come to falling for a Gmail phishing attack

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post #20

That's scary. Would having 2FA enabled on your Gmail account protect you from this kind of attack?

Depends on the type of 2FA. If it's using U2F, then you'd be fine as that is tied to the domain name of the site you're on, but if it's using TOTP/HOTP (i.e. Google Authenticator), and the phishing site asked you for your 2FA code, and you gave it, then you would still be successfully phished.

Is the difference here that TOTP/HOTP is entered by the user, while U2F is entered automatically?

Re: The closest I've ever come to falling for a Gmail phishing attack

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post #36
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To save the click: Follow Tom Scott (‏@tomscott): This is the closest I've ever come to falling for a Gmail phishing attack. If it hadn't been for my high-DPI screen making the image fuzzy… https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0W-dCCWQAAl0cn.jpg

Thanks for posting the image. Twitter's mobile site does not allow you to zoom the image. Very annoying how mobile sites do that.

The most important image IMHO is the following, be sure to check it: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0XB_c8WIAAtEF8.jpg:large
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