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Re: LiChess: Learn from your mistakes

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Post by ggrochow »

jdjb wrote: post #46
wallace_f wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This may sound naive, but what are the incentives and/or how are the developers of Lichess making a profit. The site is one of the best executed webapps I've ever used. What motivates the creators?

Thibault simply wants to deliver the best online chess experience. Period. It's purely donation driven and he pulls a small salary from whatever's leftover after buying enough servers to keep the site up.

detailed cost breakdown

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CGgu-7aNxlZkjLl9l-Ol...

( link came from here https://en.lichess.org/patron )

Re: LiChess: Learn from your mistakes

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Post by nilkn »

lichess is legitimately one of the most impressive web applications I've seen and used. I've never been a big fan of playing chess, but I discovered the site several months ago, and it allowed me to get into the game in a way that I thought I never would.

It started with the tactical puzzles. They're derived algorithmically (using Stockfish analysis) from games actually played on the website. This alone is fascinating:

https://en.lichess.org/blog/U4sjakQAAEAAhH9d/how-training-pu...

My favorite thing about the puzzles though is that I can easily explore suboptimal solutions using lichess's analysis tools. If I ever got a puzzle wrong, my first question wouldn't be what the right move was, but rather why my move was bad. This is trivial to answer with the analysis tools. You can even see the game that the puzzle was derived from and see what moves the players actually made.

The site is just a goldmine.

Re: LiChess: Learn from your mistakes

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Post by thinkloop »

lbrandy wrote: post #49
sscotth wrote: post #35

If your interested in cool and unique features, try resetting your password: https://en.lichess.org/password/reset

This is clever but it can't be a good captcha. Computers are really good at understanding a visual chessboard and even better at actually finding the best move.

I had the same thought, but on further reflection, while it's very doable to get a computer to figure it out, it still seems like quite a bit of work to have it read, parse, analyse and play the move for this specific page, on this one website for a low value payout. Additionally there is natural language question that has to be understood for what you are supposed to do - it doesn't necessarily have to be mate.

Since security is fundamentally increasing costs enough to outweigh the prize, I feel like this makes it.

Re: LiChess: Learn from your mistakes

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Post by pk2200 »

nsted wrote: post #36
no_wizard wrote: post #20

Gotta ask and I ain't trying to start a flame war here.... how's the community compared to say, ICC? I was a big time user of ICC back in the day simply because the average player was high caliber after FICS started to become a bit of a dead zone for standard players (I like 45 5 or higher timed classic games )

There are more high level players on ICC because that's where the high level players are. Chess.com also has a decent interface, but they particularly excel in chess news, event coverage and community support.

> There are more high level players on ICC because that's where the high level players are

It appears this is not the case, anymore. I logged in to both servers this afternoon, and counted the number of players rated over 2350. Lichess had 50, ICC had 6. I logged in again tonight and saw roughly the same ratio.

Re: LiChess: Learn from your mistakes

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Post by komaromy »

no_wizard wrote: post #20

Gotta ask and I ain't trying to start a flame war here.... how's the community compared to say, ICC? I was a big time user of ICC back in the day simply because the average player was high caliber after FICS started to become a bit of a dead zone for standard players (I like 45 5 or higher timed classic games )

I'm not sure about the quality for standard, but the overall chat community is more like modern-day Reddit than 00s ICC. That place was a garden.

Re: LiChess: Learn from your mistakes

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Post by thinkloop »

pk2200 wrote: post #54
nsted wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are more high level players on ICC because that's where the high level players are. Chess.com also has a decent interface, but they particularly excel in chess news, event coverage and community support.

> There are more high level players on ICC because that's where the high level players are It appears this is not the case, anymore. I logged in to both servers this afternoon, and counted the number of players rated over 2350. Lichess had 50, ICC had 6. I logged in again tonight and saw roughly the same ratio.

Those data points could be valid, but it's important to note that chess ratings work relative to the players involved. A site that only allowed pre-schoolers, for example, would still have 2300+ rated players.

Re: LiChess: Learn from your mistakes

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Post by TylerE »

pk2200 wrote: post #54
nsted wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are more high level players on ICC because that's where the high level players are. Chess.com also has a decent interface, but they particularly excel in chess news, event coverage and community support.

> There are more high level players on ICC because that's where the high level players are It appears this is not the case, anymore. I logged in to both servers this afternoon, and counted the number of players rated over 2350. Lichess had 50, ICC had 6. I logged in again tonight and saw roughly the same ratio.

WHAT ratings though? Ratings are not comparable across different player pools.

Re: LiChess: Learn from your mistakes

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Post by pk2200 »

TylerE wrote: post #57
pk2200 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There are more high level players on ICC because that's where the high level players are It appears this is not the case, anymore. I logged in to both servers this afternoon, and counted the number of players rated over 2350. Lichess had 50, ICC had 6. I logged in again tonight and saw roughly the same ratio.

WHAT ratings though? Ratings are not comparable across different player pools.

My Lichess & ICC ratings are typically within 50 points of each other. It's the same for a friend of mine who plays on both servers, too.
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