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Re: New DEA Rule Says CBD Oil Is Really Illegal

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Post by 0xfeba » Thu, Dec 15, 2016, 7:06 PM UTC

imgabe wrote: post #15

0xfeba wrote: post #12

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> And people wonder why Trump won?!? The same Trump who's been back-tracking and 'reconsidering' all his campaign promises before he's even spent one day in office? The same people who think that a billionaire placing other billionaires in his cabinet is somehow an "outsider" to the elites and going to help them?

So, when he said these things during the campaign, they were horrible awful things that made him a lunatic idiot. But, now if he "reconsiders" these horrible idiotic things he's suddenly a backtracking flip-flopper?

Yes, both of those statements can be true at the same time. But in this case, yes, I'm glad he's backtracking, I expected it for most of his outlandish claims.

But now we have someone who says ridiculous things, does other ridiculous things, and none of them seem to line up. We just don't know what we're going to get.

Luckily, he's old, hasn't worked an 8 hour day in his life, and will likely be letting Pence run the show from behind the scenes, whom while I disagree with vehemently, he's at least predictable.

Re: New DEA Rule Says CBD Oil Is Really Illegal

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Post by 0xfeba » Thu, Dec 15, 2016, 7:12 PM UTC

snomad wrote: post #45

1024core wrote: post #3

I am so fucking tired of the DEA and the joke it has become. And I will also blame Obama for continuing this mess: as someone who smoked pot heavily in his youth (and still turned out OK), for his administration to continue this lie that cannabis is some super gateway drug and has no medicinal value, is shameful. Science, bitches! Put aside your religious biases and ask: What does science say? /rant

The shot at religion was unnecessary and does not help your point. FYI, I'm agnostic, but anti-religious bias and attacks is no better than racially or gender based attacks. Also, science is pretty broad. I'm guessing you mean medical science. Social science, depending on area, may agree with the keep illegal stance.

> anti-religious bias and attacks is no better than racially or gender based attacks.

Why? Why does religion deserve a reserved spot against criticism that race and gender rightfully share?

It's one thing to berate a religious follower, but another to criticize the religion itself.

Re: New DEA Rule Says CBD Oil Is Really Illegal

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Post by 0xfeba » Thu, Dec 15, 2016, 7:17 PM UTC

msandford wrote: post #21

tobltobs wrote: post #10

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"And people wonder why Trump won?!?" Because they where so dumb to believe the rubbish Trump said?

Obviously, but also very fed up with politicians who say "nice" things and then fail to follow through. I suspect that a large part of why Trump got as much support as he did is that people thought "this guy is a loose canon, maybe stuff will actually happen"

I'm very curious for a breakdown of the reasons for voting for Trump. Like, how much voters fall into something like:

1) Fanatical follower that believes he will do everything he says

2) A vote against the "system" though understands he says one thing and does another

3) "Just don't like Hillary"

4) etc.

Re: New DEA Rule Says CBD Oil Is Really Illegal

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Post by imgabe » Thu, Dec 15, 2016, 7:58 PM UTC

pjc50 wrote: post #26

imgabe wrote: post #22

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You're not being specific about which promises you're upset about backtracking on. "Jail Hillary" was a promise that he backtracked on, too. So was increased torture. As far as trolls go, I'm not the one here labeling 60 million people I don't know "dump as bread".

While I'm happy for him to have backtracked on "jail hillary" it's not because he's actually reconsidered the position or now declares her to be innocent; it's simply never mentioned again. Which shows what a cynical thing it was to campaign on in the first place.

That's incorrect. He's been asked about it directly in interviews several times since the election and has stated that he's not interested in pursuing it and it's not something he wants to focus on as President.

Re: New DEA Rule Says CBD Oil Is Really Illegal

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Post by chimeracoder » Thu, Dec 15, 2016, 8:07 PM UTC

pmoriarty wrote: post #41

chimeracoder wrote: post #34

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> Tobacco is small compared to Pharma. The average american spends over 1,000$ per year on prescription drugs. Yes, but medical marijuana is a lot less important to pharmaceutical companies than recreational marijuana is to tobacco companies. Pharmaceutical companies care less about medical marijuana these days than you might think. And it's not so simple, because it's not so easy to see how money gets directed. For…

I really don't see why the alcohol, tobacco, and pharmaceutical companies can't themselves move in to production and sale of marijuana, once it becomes legal. In fact, I'd bet this is exactly what will happen. They're even likely to come to dominate the market, much like Google did the phone market once they came out with Android, and Microsoft did the console market once they came out with the Xbox.

> I really don't see why the alcohol, tobacco, and pharmaceutical companies can't themselves move in to production and sale of marijuana, once it becomes legal.

That's exactly what I'm saying. The tobacco industry would love to leverage their existing assets into a lateral move into the marijuana industry. But until it's legal, they have to sit by and watch their lunch get eaten by smaller firms with larger risk appetites because they have less to lose if things blow up in their faces. That's what's already happening.

Re: New DEA Rule Says CBD Oil Is Really Illegal

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Post by WalterSear » Fri, Dec 16, 2016, 12:06 AM UTC

pmoriarty wrote: post #41

chimeracoder wrote: post #34

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> Tobacco is small compared to Pharma. The average american spends over 1,000$ per year on prescription drugs. Yes, but medical marijuana is a lot less important to pharmaceutical companies than recreational marijuana is to tobacco companies. Pharmaceutical companies care less about medical marijuana these days than you might think. And it's not so simple, because it's not so easy to see how money gets directed. For…

I really don't see why the alcohol, tobacco, and pharmaceutical companies can't themselves move in to production and sale of marijuana, once it becomes legal. In fact, I'd bet this is exactly what will happen. They're even likely to come to dominate the market, much like Google did the phone market once they came out with Android, and Microsoft did the console market once they came out with the Xbox.

Pharma can't make money on comoditized, public domain medicine. The alcohol industry doesn't have a relevant infrastructure or supply chain. Tobacco is the only industry that's in a position to pivot, but the profit margins on mass cannabis are much less than tobacco, since it consumption is inherently lower. That said, Philip Morris purchased a few hundred thousand acres of Humboldt county in the early ninties, in anticipation of legalization.

Re: New DEA Rule Says CBD Oil Is Really Illegal

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Post by 0xfeba » Fri, Dec 16, 2016, 5:48 PM UTC

pasquinelli wrote: post #37

jklinger410 wrote: post #16

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IIRC Trump won before he started backing out of his campaign promises.

No one has a reason to take trump's promises seriously.

I can name a whole bunch of people, and show a bunch of people that do take them seriously. And are already furious he's backed down on jailing Hillary, for example.