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Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface than ever before

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Re: Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface than ever before

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Post by Thaxll »

martijn_himself wrote: post #18

I can't believe anyone using macOS for their professional workflow would consider switching to Windows 10 despite all the criticism leveled at Apple's hardware (most of which I think is totally justified). I use Windows professionally (for .NET development) and I think Windows 10 is still light-years behind, with an unstable, jarring OS experience full of bugs and niggles and unloved and underdeveloped touch interfac…

Win10 is pretty stable, what issues are you referring to?

Re: Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface than ever before

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Post by shin_lao »

martijn_himself wrote: post #18

I can't believe anyone using macOS for their professional workflow would consider switching to Windows 10 despite all the criticism leveled at Apple's hardware (most of which I think is totally justified). I use Windows professionally (for .NET development) and I think Windows 10 is still light-years behind, with an unstable, jarring OS experience full of bugs and niggles and unloved and underdeveloped touch interfac…

Do you think your points are valid for an office workflow?

Re: Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface than ever before

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Post by Aldo_MX »

martijn_himself wrote: post #18

I can't believe anyone using macOS for their professional workflow would consider switching to Windows 10 despite all the criticism leveled at Apple's hardware (most of which I think is totally justified). I use Windows professionally (for .NET development) and I think Windows 10 is still light-years behind, with an unstable, jarring OS experience full of bugs and niggles and unloved and underdeveloped touch interfac…

This is definitely an example of YMMV, if someone claims that macOS is better than Windows because of a prettier UI and smoother font rendering, I simply laugh.

For me it is more important to have a file manager that doesn't lock itself creating .DS_Store files in the middle of an I/O operation (ex. copying a folder from an external drive).

To be fair, Windows has the same issue with Thumbs.db files, but I can't remember the last time it happened to me, in contrast, with macOS it is annoyingly easy to trigger error -36, just connect a clean drive and copy a big folder...

Re: Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface than ever before

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Post by H4CK3RM4N »

erokar wrote: post #34
martijn_himself wrote: post #18

I can't believe anyone using macOS for their professional workflow would consider switching to Windows 10 despite all the criticism leveled at Apple's hardware (most of which I think is totally justified). I use Windows professionally (for .NET development) and I think Windows 10 is still light-years behind, with an unstable, jarring OS experience full of bugs and niggles and unloved and underdeveloped touch interfac…

If by "professional workflow" you mean programming, I agree. But I'd have no problem using Linux for that instead of MacOS. However, for many "professional workflow" means using the MS Office suite and a browser. For that use, Windows 10 is not only adequate but better than MacOS.

I'd say that macOS tends to be more stable, and The office suite has an actual price instead of a shitty subscription model.

Re: Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface than ever before

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Post by bangonkeyboard »

martijn_himself wrote: post #18

I can't believe anyone using macOS for their professional workflow would consider switching to Windows 10 despite all the criticism leveled at Apple's hardware (most of which I think is totally justified). I use Windows professionally (for .NET development) and I think Windows 10 is still light-years behind, with an unstable, jarring OS experience full of bugs and niggles and unloved and underdeveloped touch interfac…

Two days ago, immediately after several programs crashed and shortly before the entire OS locked up, I managed to capture this: http://i.imgur.com/ecCPlcs.png

That is Crash Reporter crashing. The following is the last screenshot I was able to take before the system stopped being able to write files: http://i.imgur.com/IK7j98P.png

Sierra has been an absolute nightmare in every respect that I have been forced to reboot on a weekly basis.

Apple's precipitous and continuing software quality decline is not an exaggeration or an illusion. It is flat reality. Professionals with any awareness should be evaluating their alternatives very seriously.

Re: Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface than ever before

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Post by emehrkay »

I played with the Surface Studio yesterday and it was a BEAUTIFUL machine. The screen was a lot thinner than I imagined, it was super sturdy, and just felt good in the hand. My experience fell apart with using the pen/my finger to navigate windows. I felt like I was double/triple clicking icons because I wasnt sure if my action registered or not. But once into photoshop (it was right on the desktop) the pen worked well. If I were to leave macOS as the os on my development machine, it definitely wouldn't be for Windows. I've heard people still have problems with *nix symlinks in their VM shared folders -- that is very minor, but it could cripple certain projects.

Re: Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface than ever before

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Post by johnward »

H4CK3RM4N wrote: post #54
erokar wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If by "professional workflow" you mean programming, I agree. But I'd have no problem using Linux for that instead of MacOS. However, for many "professional workflow" means using the MS Office suite and a browser. For that use, Windows 10 is not only adequate but better than MacOS.

I'd say that macOS tends to be more stable, and The office suite has an actual price instead of a shitty subscription model.

There are tools purposely missing from Mac like visio and project(?). I don't get why they are needed but my project manager does.

Re: Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface than ever before

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Post by H4CK3RM4N »

erokar wrote: post #47
artursapek wrote: post #16

I believe it. I just abandoned Apple after years of loyalty. I looked hard at Surfaces and after considering them for a while I decided they weren't ready to be my main dev machine, so I went with a Thinkpad. But Microsoft is doing great stuff with its hardware lately.

I've been using Macs since 2008. My next machine will probably be a Thinkpad or a Dell. Apple has dropped the ball too many times now, both hardware and software vice. And somehow everything Apple does now feels stale and off mark.

But they really haven't dropped the ball in terms of pricing or privacy, which is enough to scare me away from Windows.

Re: Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface than ever before

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Post by canuckintime »

delegate wrote: post #39

I've resuscitated an older Windows PC, after years of exclusive OSX.. I've changed the CPU cooler (Intel Q9550), added an SSD drive - and my old PC is back up, with the SSD it has enough juice to do the tasks I need it for - run Visual Studio 2015, browsing ... plus I can also play some (older) games on it, which is a lot of fun. I miss the old days of being able to play with the hardware, buy new video or sound card…

You're comparing apples to oranges. Your old 'revived' PC doesn't not represent the Surface signature experience which Microsoft designed to appeal to Mac users.

Curious though: Who was the OEM for your PC and how much did you spend on it? How much was your Mac?

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