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Censored Photographs of FDR’s Japanese Concentration Camps

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Re: Censored Photographs of FDR’s Japanese Concentration Camps

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Post by caio1982 »

Thank you for posting this, for real, all of these photographs are truly beautiful in their own way. That is, they remind me a lot about Sebastião Salgado's work on portraying human beings in such emotionally harsh conditions [1] (which in fact was quite possibly inspired by people like Dorothea). I don't know what is most disturbing in that page though, the stories behind the photos or the quotes... man, the quotes... :-(

[1] I cannot recommend https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Salt_of_the_Earth_(2014_fi... enough if you are interested in this

Re: Censored Photographs of FDR’s Japanese Concentration Camps

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Post by burkaman »

cpr wrote: post #9

Just to be clear, there's zero talk of any Muslim internment other than in the fevered world of the anti-Trumpers, who are using it as a straw-bogeyman to stir people up.

> Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump told TIME that he does not know whether he would have supported or opposed the internment of Japanese Americans during World War II.

> “I would have had to be there at the time to tell you, to give you a proper answer,” he said during a recent interview in his office in New York City. “I certainly hate the concept of it. But I would have had to be there at the time to give you a proper answer.”

- http://time.com/4140050/donald-trump-muslims-japanese-intern...

> Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.

- https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-...

If Muslims are inherently evil, do they suddenly become loyal citizens once they enter the country? When Trump institutes this ban, what will he do about all the Muslims that entered the day before? Nothing? Many terrorist acts have been committed by Muslims born and raised in this country. Would Trump really do nothing about that problem?

> Question at a rally: We have a problem in this country. It's called Muslims. We know our current president is one. You know he's not even an American. We have training camps growing where they want to kill us. That's my question. When can we get rid of it?

> Trump: We're going to be looking at a lot of different things. And you know, a lot of people are saying that, and a lot of people are saying that bad things are happening out there. We're going to be looking at that and plenty of other things.

- http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-t...

What does that mean? What possible action could you take against Muslim training camps in this country? Walk around asking Muslims if they're part of a secret training camp, and only arrest them if they say yes? As far as I know, leaders who establish internment camps have never campaigned on that idea. It would be nice if people were that straightforward, but they aren't. The suggestions are there, the motivation is clearly there, apparently the public support is there, so this is not an invented issue.

Re: Censored Photographs of FDR’s Japanese Concentration Camps

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Post by cooper12 »

> “They got to a point where they said, ‘Okay, we’re going to take you out.’ And it was obvious that he was going before a firing squad with MPs ready with rifles. He was asked if he wanted a cigarette; he said no.… You want a blindfold?… No. They said, ‘Stand up here,’ and they went as far as saying, ‘Ready, aim, fire,’ and pulling the trigger, but the rifles had no bullets. They just went click.” — Ben Takeshita, recounting his older brother’s ordeal at Tule Lake Relocation Center, where he was segregated for causing trouble

Jesus...

Re: Censored Photographs of FDR’s Japanese Concentration Camps

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Post by coldpie »

katkattac wrote: post #22
mgkimsal wrote: post #5

"The very fact that no sabotage has taken place to date is a disturbing and confirming indication that such action will be taken." THAT is disturbing "logic".

This is a quote from General John L. DeWitt, head of the U.S. Army’s Western Defense Command. He's basically the guy that convinced the president that this was a good idea. Why we put people like him in power (instead of prison), I'll never understand.

The next United States Secretary of Defense:

"There are some people who think you have to hate them in order to shoot them. I don’t think you do. It’s just business."

"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil. You know, guys like that ain’t got no manhood left anyway. So it’s a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them. Actually it’s quite fun to fight them, you know. It’s a hell of a hoot. It’s fun to shoot some people."

"The first time you blow someone away is not an insignificant event. That said, there are some assholes in the world that just need to be shot."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/gen-james-mad-dog-mattis-7-memor...

Re: Censored Photographs of FDR’s Japanese Concentration Camps

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Post by jackfoxy »

fasteddie31003 wrote: post #44
mgkimsal wrote: post #5

"The very fact that no sabotage has taken place to date is a disturbing and confirming indication that such action will be taken." THAT is disturbing "logic".

There was the Niihau Incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niihau_incident where Hawaiians of Japanese descent helped a crashed Japanese pilot. But then ended up killing the pilot.

I had never heard of this before. You would think it would be better known amongst all the Pearl Harbor trivia.

Re: Censored Photographs of FDR’s Japanese Concentration Camps

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Post by [deleted] »

droopyEyelids wrote: post #43
jdavis703 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone whose family ancestors were kidnapped to the US and forced to engage in unpaid labor I have to say this country never cared about freedom and human rights. It's all part of the national story designed to make the occupants of this country view themselves as better than the rest of the world.

Distorted exaggeration disrespects everyone. This country has struggled with issues of freedom and human rights, but it has made significant strides, and we should use them as an example of what to work for and what can be achieved.

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Re: Censored Photographs of FDR’s Japanese Concentration Camps

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Post by DarkKomunalec »

evan_ wrote: post #18
johndunne wrote: post #10

With today's political climate I can't help but think that something like this could happen again.

It kind of already is happening in the US right now in the form of "Family detention centers" intended to detain non-citizens slated for deportation. If Trump's administration seriously plans on "rounding up" millions of people for deportation, they'll have to be lodged somewhere while they are tried (assuming they're granted trials, who knows anymore) and travel arrangements are made. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/…

Strange how enforcing borders began to be seen as controversial. The explanation that makes the most sense to me is, some people see free movement across borders as a human right, while others view a country as their home, and so should have the right to decide who to let in.

Re: Censored Photographs of FDR’s Japanese Concentration Camps

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

coldpie wrote: post #49
dsfyu404ed wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a big difference between detention and deportation of illegal immigrants and detention of legal immigrants and American citizens.

I don't find the difference to be all that big.

...until they come for you

Re: Censored Photographs of FDR’s Japanese Concentration Camps

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Post by jwcacces »

coldpie wrote: post #54
katkattac wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a quote from General John L. DeWitt, head of the U.S. Army’s Western Defense Command. He's basically the guy that convinced the president that this was a good idea. Why we put people like him in power (instead of prison), I'll never understand.

The next United States Secretary of Defense: "There are some people who think you have to hate them in order to shoot them. I don’t think you do. It’s just business." "You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil. You know, guys like that ain’t got no manhood left anyway. So it’s a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them. Actually it’s quite fun to fight them,…

Secretary of Defense?
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