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Re: ReMarkable Paper Tablet

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Post by sandsmark »

davman wrote: post #39
sandsmark wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this is actually the problem we have solved (for epaper). Compare https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKmfyThA9Sg to https://youtu.be/34I27KPZM6g?t=52

While you have certainly made huge and impressive improvements, I still don't think I could call that "solved". I think any latency is still going to put people off when it comes to writing on this vs. paper.

our goal for solving it was to get it down to where it wasn't a detriment for the writing and sketching experience. one of the first things we did was gather data and read what research there was on what kind of latency was noticeable and lead to writing feeling "wrong".

so we solved our goal, but it's always possible to get better.

Re: ReMarkable Paper Tablet

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Post by shubhamjain »

This is huge! I don't want to sound contemptuous but to me, paper feels like an inefficient artefact, just waiting to be disrupted by something that can incorporate the few remnant benefits which current range of E-Readers don't cover. I have had Kindle since about an year and I can't imagine ever going to paper books. I can instantly check words, read in the dark, or purchase whenever I like. The only thing I do miss is marking an important passage.

If notes, and highlighting work as advertised, will printed books have anything to offer other than aesthetic value?

Re: ReMarkable Paper Tablet

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Post by sevensor »

sandsmark wrote: post #35
rtpg wrote: post #25

For those who really want a PDF annotator, Sony sells a large mostly-equivalent of this, there's the Sony DPT-S1 https://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/product-DPTS1/?PID=I:digitalpa... This is a pro device, costs almost $1000. I don't own one but a friend does... it's very magical looking, and feels nice for the 2 minutes I used it.

they've been dumping the price and trying to empty their warehouses, so I'm not sure if you can actually buy it anymore. at least not outside of japan.

If your device works well as a PDF annotator, it's going to have a huge market among academics, who right now have a number of very bad solutions to the problem. For me personally, I'm thrilled by the possibility of being able to write unlimited marginalia.

Re: ReMarkable Paper Tablet

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Post by sandsmark »

scottlocklin wrote: post #48
linuxkerneldev wrote: post #7

For those feeling the impulse to empty their wallets, I urge caution. I just got done being burned by the kickstarter for the goodreader equivalent. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/13-3-inch-android-e-reade... I see no evidence that the team behind this "remarkable" product has ever completed anything of this scale. Some of the claims are very suspicious. https://liliputing.com/2016/11/remarkable-10-3-inch-writing…

They're just reusing the hardware module Sony uses on its Digital Paper DPTS1 thingee and putting Android on it. Assuming it's a legit project.

no, we don't use Android, unlike pretty much everyone else.

and the EPD is designed by e ink based on our requirements, e. g. the size and high DPI.

Re: ReMarkable Paper Tablet

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Post by anexprogrammer »

I really want this to succeed. I'd love to buy one. There's been quite a few failed attempts.

From FAQ > own special operating system Codex / We might however release an unsupported SDK for best developers

That's disappointing. I assume "best developers" means corporates. I'd have hoped for a fully open SDK as you're not able to use anything from Android etc. There's probably no end of utilities solo coders would piece together. I'd probably be looking at whether I could make a few apps myself.

I'm a little disappointed at no lighting, it's made a big difference to my eReader. No doubt LEDs would add much to cost.

Re: ReMarkable Paper Tablet

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Post by sandsmark »

fest wrote: post #43

Few questions to the team: 1) Is the screen latency numbers applicable to full-page updates also? I.e. scrolling a page of text. 2) How decent is the performance when dealing with large PDFs? 3) Is the digitizer pressure sensitive? Does it only work with a stylus? If not, how good is palm rejection?

we can't release more technical details than what is on the webpage for now, we're still working on the performance. but to give you a rough idea on where we are on UI responsiveness and loading times, this is what we're using for targets: https://www.nngroup.com/articles/response-times-3-important-...

and the digitizer is an EMR digitizer, completely separate from the touch layer. so we don't have to worry about palm rejection.

edit; you can see the speed of the zoom in the video, which also needs to re-render the page at a different scale. so that should give you an idea about the speed of page flipping.

Re: ReMarkable Paper Tablet

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Post by sandsmark »

anexprogrammer wrote: post #55

I really want this to succeed. I'd love to buy one. There's been quite a few failed attempts. From FAQ > own special operating system Codex / We might however release an unsupported SDK for best developers That's disappointing. I assume "best developers" means corporates. I'd have hoped for a fully open SDK as you're not able to use anything from Android etc. There's probably no end of utilities solo coders would pie…

"best developers" was a bit tongue in cheek, it was late and I didn't have time to come up with good wording (I'm not a good word person). but what I tried to convey; we know that even _if_ we can release a toolchain, we can't deliver a full, polished SDK. so "best developers" was more about developers that don't need any hand-holding.

but again; we can't even promise that we have the time and resources to package up a usable toolchain for third-parties.

Re: ReMarkable Paper Tablet

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Post by baggers »

scottlocklin wrote: post #48
linuxkerneldev wrote: post #7

For those feeling the impulse to empty their wallets, I urge caution. I just got done being burned by the kickstarter for the goodreader equivalent. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/13-3-inch-android-e-reade... I see no evidence that the team behind this "remarkable" product has ever completed anything of this scale. Some of the claims are very suspicious. https://liliputing.com/2016/11/remarkable-10-3-inch-writing…

They're just reusing the hardware module Sony uses on its Digital Paper DPTS1 thingee and putting Android on it. Assuming it's a legit project.

The goodereader 13" is android, ReMarkable isn't. And the gooderader project has not turned to vapour yet althought I can understand linuxkerneldev's reason for being annoyed.

Re: ReMarkable Paper Tablet

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Post by sandsmark »

sevensor wrote: post #53
sandsmark wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

they've been dumping the price and trying to empty their warehouses, so I'm not sure if you can actually buy it anymore. at least not outside of japan.

If your device works well as a PDF annotator, it's going to have a huge market among academics, who right now have a number of very bad solutions to the problem. For me personally, I'm thrilled by the possibility of being able to write unlimited marginalia.

academia is one of the biggest target groups, both in terms of marketing and development focus.

Re: ReMarkable Paper Tablet

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Post by Nomentatus »

wheelerwj wrote: post #29

i don't understand why its a steal at almost $400. my tablet does all of this better. except for drawing, which is significantly not as awesome. i also don't know how adding a fourth device simplifies life at all.

Stay indoors a lot do you? That ain't healthy. http://sunlightinstitute.org/research-studies/
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