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Re: Married to someone with anxiety

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Really glad this article was posted. I have anxiety. No idea what to do about it. I just sit here locked in my apartment all day, haven't seen anyone in weeks. Moved a friend in next door, he's extremely loud, now I haven't seen him in weeks either. I just can't. I'm just an asshole sitting here with headphones on 14 hours a day and then sleeping completely locked in a prison of my own making. To walk into the kitche…

> The one thing I'm trying to avoid is telling people about it, I don't ever want to put someone in the position of "listen, my life is harder than yours because of X condition, so you need to adjust to me". I think that's gross. Like my loud friend. It's totally his right to be loud, and it's unfair to him that someone like me lives next door It's good that you're not asking him to adjust to you, but I hope you real…

> There are some physical health checks they'll want to do

The importance of this step should not be underestimated. Hormonal and neurological phenomena can have huge effects on mental and emotional processes. It's socially accepted to joke about hormone-addled teenagers and "roid rage" (and, not so long ago, PMS), but then we act like the default is somehow to have no hormones at all, instead of admitting to ourselves that every one of our brains is marinating in a constantly-fluctuating chemical soup.

Re: Married to someone with anxiety

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It's worth noting that if you have anxiety around starting therapy, as I did, that many therapists can be contacted via email. In the US, there are trade publications like Psychology Today and trade groups like the American Psychological Association that maintain lists of practicing therapists.

Often the hardest step is the first one. If your anxiety is anything like mine is you may not even realize you have a problem. My anxiety has robbed me of so many opportunities, that I often wish I had started therapy in my twenties. It took me months of goading myself before I contacted anyone about it.

I'm glad I did.

Re: Married to someone with anxiety

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It's actually unfortunately normal and healthy to have extreme anxiety when you have no workers rights and its hard to replace a job. As working people we are forced to live with unprecedented levels of uncertainty. Life can be extremely punishing, I've seen both the mediocre and the extremely talented crushed beneath the wheels of the system sometimes seemingly at random. Abuse if the h1b creates artificial shortages of work to leverage wages down and hours up. It's not unusual to get used more and more as short term temporary labor the more experienced and capable you get. Other professions like teaching college pay poverty wages that cannot support a family. So much of the dignity of work has been annihilated to make things better for billionaires.

Re: Married to someone with anxiety

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Really glad this article was posted. I have anxiety. No idea what to do about it. I just sit here locked in my apartment all day, haven't seen anyone in weeks. Moved a friend in next door, he's extremely loud, now I haven't seen him in weeks either. I just can't. I'm just an asshole sitting here with headphones on 14 hours a day and then sleeping completely locked in a prison of my own making. To walk into the kitche…

I understand you when you say "it's just surviving. Dead time", that is what I think about it and that's one of the reasons I'm fighting now. I don't reach the point of not getting out of the room/flat but I tend to avoid dinner or lunch in restaurants with a lot of people, and doing some things alone like going to buy clothes or so. It helps to go accompanied by someone you trust but I also understand you when you feel bad talking about it with others, I also feel the same. Some situations are avoided because you had a panic attack in the past and think it can happen again in the future. Social interactions are feared the most. That's why in your room you feel safe. I've heard about people not even moving from the half of the bed they feel its 'safe'.

After some months with bad mood, kind of depressed, and after realizing my psycologist wasn't working I told myself to go find another one specialized in this kind of disorders. The change was unbelievable. He told me what I was feeling was totally 'normal' symptoms, we went broke down the Cognitive aspects, motor aspects and psychophysiological aspects (I have them on paper) that we feel when we suffer anxiety. He explained to me a lot of what is happening and WHY, that brought me a calming sensation of not being alone/rare/unique. I am now working (I have homework from session to session) about what situations activate bad feelings and automatic thoughts so we can reprogram them and deactivate those bad beliefs that provoque anxiety/panic attacks. My psycologist assures me that if I work hard with the tools he gives me I will definitely overcome anxiety, and for the time being I'm amazed at how he understands everything I'm going through. He has given me hope, which is something I needed. We also talked about taking medicines, I haven't tried them, but as a friend says, I think they just help you to work on this, they kind of push you forward (a little), then you just can stop taking them.

A very important thing he has also told me is to do Sport, have hobbies, etc. He names them "valves" that lower our anxiety levels or help compress our problems to generate less anxiety.

I don't accept living with anxiety as I think it is not permanent and I've seen improvements over time. I think this couple (she) hasn't received the right treatment. It's not easy but you have to confront your fears, analize them and create a new belief that substitutes them, some of these beliefs come from when you were young or have been there since you were a kid but now they hurt you more.

Re: Married to someone with anxiety

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Really glad this article was posted. I have anxiety. No idea what to do about it. I just sit here locked in my apartment all day, haven't seen anyone in weeks. Moved a friend in next door, he's extremely loud, now I haven't seen him in weeks either. I just can't. I'm just an asshole sitting here with headphones on 14 hours a day and then sleeping completely locked in a prison of my own making. To walk into the kitche…

> Like my loud friend. It's totally his right to be loud, and it's unfair to him that someone like me lives next door.

This is not even close to true, and I suspect even your friend doesn't think it is true! You shouldn't have to hear the person you live next to, period. You feel angry because your friend's behavior is either clueless or inconsiderate—likely the former. Educating him would help both of you.

Please though, stop living like this. It's almost certainly fixable with a conversation or two. If it isn't, talk to a landlord. If it still isn't, talk to the police.

I've been there. I know how you feel. Don't blame yourself.

> Sometimes when I wake up just right after a perfect sleep, hit my routine properly, get everything done, then I feel great, and can go out, and do things. But I have to feel extremely great, and it takes so much work to get there. And it only ever works rarely.

I've been here too. You need to see a therapist, sweetie. It'll help.

Re: Married to someone with anxiety

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Thanks for sharing. I think its important to discuss mental health issues openly. They have a huge impact on our lives and are quite common (NAMI says 1 in 5), yet we tend as a society to shy away from talking about it and tend to have strange beliefs (they are just a negative person, they should just get over it, their thoughts will be contagious). I think many people never get the help they need because they aren't…

But a depressed person often is a negative person, and moods can spread. Think about working for a boss who is miserable and passes that feeling down onto people who work for her. If that boss goes to to a psychiatrist/therapist because she is having trouble getting along with the people in her life, that psychiatrist/therapist will likely say she depressed, never diagnose her as being a "negative person" which is al…

>But a depressed person often is a negative person, and moods can spread.

That's pretty stereotypical. The happiest people on the outside can hide some pretty dark clouds on the inside; especially in a work environment where outward appearances are important. In fact, I would suggest that the majority that are depressed don't show any outwards signs to working colleagues.

Re: Married to someone with anxiety

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Yeah man thanks. >People talk to other people because they're bored, you don't have to be good at anything to have someone pass the time by talking to you. That's difficult to believe because it doesn't match up to my reality. I usually find I don't have much to talk to anyone about unless we're doing something like making music or exercising or whatever, which is impossible in my current state. I agree about the sun…

"I usually find I don't have much to talk to anyone about unless we're doing something..." I very much understand this statement. I think that's why I don't have more social contact - nothing to say, really. I mean, I think a lot, but it doesn't seem to match up with the sorts of things people talk about. And honestly, my life isn't that interesting to talk about. I draw every day, for example, but I can't really tal…

"I draw every day, for example, but I can't really talk about that and be interesting."

As in a similar situation as @rublev I feel I am, I think it helps to say that, as this thought is somewhat recurring, we expect our environment to tell us it's great what we do but that's a problem. Man if you enjoy drawing, do it, and if you want to talk about it, do it and if someone does not care, boy you may not care about him writing everyday too, but does this make you a bad person or a non interesting one? Don't expect others approval, be yourself.

Re: Married to someone with anxiety

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>We also made big and brave decisions like my wife quitting her exhausting job up in London and her retraining to work with young people in a college environment — stressful, but local. Looks like now that guy is mainly responsible for all the stress and anxiety of mortgage and family finances. Brave decision indeed, at least form his side, hope he doesn't catch that horrible illness too. There is some evidence that…

> Brave decision indeed, at least form his side, hope he doesn't catch that horrible illness too. Why is it a brave decision? Do you actually think anxiety disorder is an infectious disease?

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Re: Married to someone with anxiety

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Hi All,

I thought I'd share my experience as someone who has been through anxiety and come through the other side. I was very lucky to have (and still have) a fantastic therapist to help and teach me.

Why we get anxiety:

I sure know how confusing anxiety can be! It doesn't feel like it comes from anywhere clear or that it has an obvious purpose... but in fact is is strangely systematic.

Anxiety does two things (we will explore both in detail); 1) protects you from something. 2) makes you feel shit and forces you to act on making yourself feel less shit.

>> 1) Protecting you

Anxiety is one of the mind’s best defense mechanisms. Whatever you experience anxiety about it nearly always leads to a reduction in action, connection and conflict with others. It could be that you don’t speak out, get on stage, tell someone you're pissed off with them, leave your room (as someone in this thread is having a hard time doing) or go to your friends house for dinner (re op). Anxiety = not doing things.

Not doing things is a fantastic option if you just want to survive! I’m fairly sure if I spent the day in my bedroom and had a pizza posted through my letterbox I would make it through the next 24 hours fairly unscathed, and a part of me thinks that is a very smart idea. It’s very good to stay alive.

The confusing thing about being an adult with anxiety is that we are protecting ourselves from things that we don’t need protecting from any more.

Being young:

When you are small (under 10 or so) there are a few big differences from being an adult.

1) You really really need to keep big people (parents) around. You are genuinely very vulnerable when you are little. A five year old is not very good at making a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, it’s extremely important to have someone (a parent) there to help. A nine year old is not very good at defending itself vs a 32 year old bodybuilder, a big person (parent) is an extremely important tool for protection. If they are not there, you really could die.

2) You feel like you control / are responsible for more than you are. It is hard to understand that you are growing up into an imperfect world where, despite you being good, bad things are happening. It can be common, and often easier, for a child to feel that the world is good, but it has been bad so bad things have happened. The child has more control that way.

These two things combined mean that unlucky children teach themselves very strong and very misguided lessons at at young age. I lost my father at eight and I certainly did.

There is often a traumatic event - a divorce, violence, a huge argument, a death - that results in one parent / carer leaving, or almost leaving, the family hub. As discussed above, the love of the ‘big people’ is genuinely indispensable to a child. If you don’t have big people love, you probably will die and death is very scary.

The child finds a way to blame this on itself. It must have done something wrong for this loss, or almost-loss, to have happened and it must not do it again! Toe the line. Keep everyone happy. YOU MUST KEEP THEM HAPPY OTHERWISE YOU COULD DIE. This is a very sensible narrative for a young child that has been through a trauma.

Being older:

Now that you are older two things have happened.

The first is that, if you’re lucky, you don’t need the help of any big people to make it through the day. You can make a p&j sandwich on your own! You can survive loss. It will make you sad but it will not kill you.

The second is that you can be more objective. If you’re parents get divorced when you are 25 years old, you are more likely to see it is because your dad’s train watching hobby is just out of hand, rather than it being a reflection on who you are as a person.

But your anxiety was not taught to you when you were a grown up, it was taught to you when you were a child - so it makes no sense in the world of an adult. You don’t need to be (that) scared of pissing someone off as an adult! You don’t need to be (that) scared of someone you love leaving you as an adult. You will make it through. But your emotions connect you to the perspective you had when you were a child - if you piss people off, if someone leave you - you could die. No wonder you are feeling anxious! I would be (and was) too.

Pissing people off, or having them leave you, or saying something offensive, or not making EVERYONE happy - can happen quite easily in the adult world. It can happen at the shop, at work, at a party, in a relationship. These are normal activities that you probably will survive - but they appear very very scary to a person with anxiety because these activities are more than what they are. They are opportunities for the world to fall apart and for you to maybe die.

>> 2) Anxiety makes you feel shit and makes you do something to try and feel less shit

As I hope you have learnt so far, the strong feelings of anxiety that one can have do not come from a very logical (grownup) place. They are beliefs that were useful when you were young and felt like you were holding the world together, but don’t make sense any more.

(Note: if your anxiety seems to have popped up from nowhere after years of being fine, it could be that you have touched an emotional depth that you have not since you were young. For example, my anxiety flares up when I’m in a relationship and experiencing strong feelings of connection / love - as a child might with a parent.)

The whole brain is really a very clever thing. Much cleverer than the bit of the brain you spend your mind talking to. As odd as it sounds, a part of it knows that you have a belief that is a little out of place and causing you problems in your day to day life - and it wants you to fix it.

I’m willing to bet if you have strong feelings of anxiety you are having frequent, intense, and mostly unpleasant dreams. I’d bet you’ve even had some recurring dreams. Dreams are another weirdly systematic process which can seem complex, but not to be discussed today (my email is below if you want a walk through). These dreams are no meaningless coincidence, they are there to nudge you towards fixing whatever no-longer-useful belief you have.

Like I said, the whole brain is really very clever and it knows a great way to make you take notice of something is to cause you immense pain! (Just like it is useful for a rash to itch, so you see you have it and take care of your skin.) And just like the synergistic of a bee and a flower (the bee gets the food, the flower gets its pollen spread), anxiety protects you and, through its pain, forces you to take a look at yourself.

So that is what’s going on. (Apologies if you feel this is an oversimplification, but this structure covers the common narrative. I’m sure there are many cases I’m not dealing with.)

How to face anxiety:

To face it, you need to say - “Hello child brain, I see what you’re doing - you really are very smart! But today I’m not going to listen to you because I probably don’t need protecting from whatever you’re trying to prevent. I’ll probably be ok”

Then you’re child (emotional) brain will say - “WHAT THE FUCK!! WE’RE TOTALLY GOING TO DIE!!!”

And then you are going to have to use all the courage you can muster to tell it to shut up and do the thing you are so scared of doing. And see what happens (your child brain will be watching too) - you’ll probably be fine. When you’ve done this a few times the child brain will calm down and you’ll move through this anxiety… onto the next one!

Also, if you can, get a good therapist.

If this was helpful / you want to reach out - please do so at eichler.summers[at]gmail.com. I’d be interested to hear feedback.

If you are from YC, or a particularly kind rich person / VC and you think there should be a scalable solution to anxiety, please get in touch. I would love to start a company in this space. I am a credible (TechCrunch Disrupt nominated, ex VC) individual who just needs a nudge.

Re: Married to someone with anxiety

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I usually find I don't have much to talk to anyone about unless we're doing something..." I very much understand this statement. I think that's why I don't have more social contact - nothing to say, really. I mean, I think a lot, but it doesn't seem to match up with the sorts of things people talk about. And honestly, my life isn't that interesting to talk about. I draw every day, for example, but I can't really tal…

"I draw every day, for example, but I can't really talk about that and be interesting." As in a similar situation as @rublev I feel I am, I think it helps to say that, as this thought is somewhat recurring, we expect our environment to tell us it's great what we do but that's a problem. Man if you enjoy drawing, do it, and if you want to talk about it, do it and if someone does not care, boy you may not care about hi…

Nah, it doesn't make me bad. Non-interesting to the right audience. I have my own work-around: I take photos of the art and keep both the photos and the links to my work handy. I show the pictures, and that sometimes leads to interesting conversation. I tend to take it traveling with me, and meet folks because of it.

The process? Not so interesting to most folks. That's actually ok, I just have the realization of the interest most folks have.

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