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iPhones send call history to Apple, security firm says

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Re: iPhones send call history to Apple, security firm says

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Post by snowwrestler »

anondon wrote: post #50
snowwrestler wrote: post #36

The key detail for me is that if you delete the call from the log on any device, the next sync will delete it in iCloud. So the probably-good-enough-for-most-folks way to deal with this is to just delete calls from your log that you don't want to get archived in iCloud for 4 months. The sure way is to disable iCloud entirely, but that reduces convenience in all sorts of ways (syncing iTunes music, for instance). The…

> The key detail for me is that if you delete the call from the log on any device, the next sync will delete it in iCloud. I highly doubt that it is a hard deletion of data. My guess is that it would be a soft delete, so your call log won't show up on your iPhone, but the data will be retained on Apple's servers.

I'm just going by the article:

> One way call logs will disappear from the cloud is if a user deletes a particular call record from the log on their device; then it will also get deleted from their iCloud account during the next automatic synchronization.

Re: iPhones send call history to Apple, security firm says

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Post by JadeNB »

kimshibal wrote: post #8

i'm still using my trusty motorolla razr

A feature of the Razr that I desperately miss from modern phones: it would fire the alarms even when the phone was turned off. Somehow this ability has been lost on smartphones, and people behave as if it is a technical impossibility, but the Razrs managed it.

Re: iPhones send call history to Apple, security firm says

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Post by babuskov »

JustSomeNobody wrote: post #41

It has to get from one device to another somehow, right? There's total[0] privacy and then there's degrees of privacy and convenience. You can't have total privacy and total convenience. At least not presently. [0] Total is one of those words like 'always' and 'never' that people should try and avoid. Myself included.

> You can't have total privacy and total convenience. At least not presently.

Encrypt the data using a password you enter on both devices and only transfer it encrypted across network?

Re: iPhones send call history to Apple, security firm says

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Post by haikuginger »

babuskov wrote: post #53
JustSomeNobody wrote: post #41

It has to get from one device to another somehow, right? There's total[0] privacy and then there's degrees of privacy and convenience. You can't have total privacy and total convenience. At least not presently. [0] Total is one of those words like 'always' and 'never' that people should try and avoid. Myself included.

> You can't have total privacy and total convenience. At least not presently. Encrypt the data using a password you enter on both devices and only transfer it encrypted across network?

Cost to convenience: if you lose or forget your password, you lose your data.

Re: iPhones send call history to Apple, security firm says

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Post by wyager »

peterkelly wrote: post #32
andmarios wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe the password encrypts the actual encryption key? I don't know about iCloud but that's how LUKS works on Linux.

Except that would mean a password reset would involve losing access to all your data (unless you can remember the original).

Yeah, unless you have another iCloud device I believe you lose your data.

Re: iPhones send call history to Apple, security firm says

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Post by typicalbender »

wklauss wrote: post #49
peterkelly wrote: post #33

I'm not sure how this is "secret". If you're using iCloud on your mac and your iPhone, and open up Facetime on the former, you'll see a call list (including regular phone calls, not just facetime). I agree it's undesirable that call history is sent to Apple - but it's pretty easy to notice if you use facetime across devices that the call history is synced.

Why undesirable? I found call log sync quite useful.

I think the lack of control is undesirable. I agree the feature itself can be very useful. The title of this post sounds way more sinister than it appears.

Re: iPhones send call history to Apple, security firm says

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Post by cmdrfred »

snowwrestler wrote: post #51
anondon wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The key detail for me is that if you delete the call from the log on any device, the next sync will delete it in iCloud. I highly doubt that it is a hard deletion of data. My guess is that it would be a soft delete, so your call log won't show up on your iPhone, but the data will be retained on Apple's servers.

I'm just going by the article: > One way call logs will disappear from the cloud is if a user deletes a particular call record from the log on their device; then it will also get deleted from their iCloud account during the next automatic synchronization.

Does apple delete it from all their backups as well?

Re: iPhones send call history to Apple, security firm says

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Post by joosters »

slededit wrote: post #22
mi100hael wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It has one of those old-fashioned replaceable batteries, so he could always just buy a new one if it goes downhill.

That's assuming they are still manufactured. With my old blackberry there were batteries on Amazon, but they were clearly expired stock and could barely hold a charge.

Some batteries seem to live on. I bought a no-name cheap dashcam for my car, and was surprised to see that its battery was identical to the one in my first Nokia phone.
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