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Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Post by yolesaber »

Wellshit wrote: post #44
yolesaber wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yesterday I was called a faggot for the first time in over five years. It was by a guy in a MAGA hat. There are swatiskas with Trump 2016 spray-painted in Philly. You joke, but it's a serious fucking problem when violent white nationalists feel emboldened by their bully president.

I was called all variants of that several times on my lifetime. Also Ramallah and all kinds of names. And I'm completely straight European up to (at least) 6 generations ago. So what? Hate crimes are still a thing. Violence is still a crime. How's that different from BLM feeling emboldened from whatever emboldens them? The guy wants conversion therapy, I want a billion dollars, you want safe spaces. Not everyone gets…

The point is people now feel emboldened to shout slurs and act like it's okay. White Nationalists are literally celebrating in the streets because Trump got elected. That is a huge problem. I don't want fucking Nazis in my country feeling validated.

>The guy wants conversion therapy, I want a billion dollars, you want safe spaces. Not everyone gets what they want. Deal.With.It.

No, I'm never going to just "deal with" white supremacy and fascism. Fuck off.

Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Post by Wellshit »

yolesaber wrote: post #42
Wellshit wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those kinds of people are afraid of anything that resembles what was once called "normalcy". Get your effin' genitalia and neurosis out of politics please. There's people dying all over the world because you want to sell iPhones. And you keep discussing this crazy concept of safe spaces. God, thank you so much for placing me on the other side of the pond.

Trump wants to overturn Roe v Wade. Pence wants conversion therapy for LGBTQ people. How about you get your fucked up politics away from my body?

I believe it's AAAAABBBBBDDDEFFFGGGGGGGGHILMMMNNNPQQQQSTTTTVXXY now.

http://nonbinary.org/wiki/List_of_nonbinary_identities

Please, stop discriminating and being so misogynistic. You're hurting people's feelings.

Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Post by billy8988 »

This notion, Bernie would have definitely beaten Trump is just a ludicrous assumption. 66% americans view socialism very negatively and Trump would have the same message against Bernie that he hadn't done anything in the last 40 years of public service. Only thing that would be going for Bernie would be his "trustworthiness".

Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Post by Wellshit »

yolesaber wrote: post #51
Wellshit wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was called all variants of that several times on my lifetime. Also Ramallah and all kinds of names. And I'm completely straight European up to (at least) 6 generations ago. So what? Hate crimes are still a thing. Violence is still a crime. How's that different from BLM feeling emboldened from whatever emboldens them? The guy wants conversion therapy, I want a billion dollars, you want safe spaces. Not everyone gets…

The point is people now feel emboldened to shout slurs and act like it's okay. White Nationalists are literally celebrating in the streets because Trump got elected. That is a huge problem. I don't want fucking Nazis in my country feeling validated. >The guy wants conversion therapy, I want a billion dollars, you want safe spaces. Not everyone gets what they want. Deal.With.It. No, I'm never going to just "deal with"…

So the rest of the world should deal with weirdness and entitlement?

Fair enough I guess.

Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Post by yolesaber »

ilolu wrote: post #45
yolesaber wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hillary was definitely an incredibly weak and flawed candidate. I'm of the opinion that Sanders would've walloped Trump. But I do have some input regarding the racial dimension of things... >I have even seen tweets claiming all Trump's voters (60 million people) are sexist, racist etc. It could just be a simple fact that people value other things more than just sexism and racism. I see a campaign that ran on hate and…

But still you can't label 60 million people just because they voted for Trump. There will be few who are racist. But by labelling everyone, you are basically ignoring the reasons they voted for Trump and increasing the divide. Trump took advantage of the many people's anxiety. What should be done is take steps for an inclusive growth including people who are anxious, dis-enchanted with establishment. But by labelling…

I've talked to plenty of people who voted for Trump. To be completely frank, many of their reasons boil down to emotional garbage like "he tells it like it is" / he "speaks for the common guy". But who is this common guy? In America, it's a white guy.

The people who voted for Trump voted for him despite the obvious and endlessly apparent evidence that he is sexist, racist, and generally an awful person. What can be said about that? Again, if these voters are so disenchanted with the establishment, why did they reelect so many incumbent senators and representatives? Why did they vote for a guy who is stacking his WH with careerists?

To be honest, I think this whole 'disenchanted with the establishment' narrative is missing the focus on the establishment it seems they really hate - the establishment of the first black president.

From whether it's saying things like "Oh Tim is so well spoken, not like his other black friends" or viewing any black male as a potential criminal, Americans, as a whole, are incredibly racist even if they don't "mean" to be. Trump's election is proof of that.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/07/opinion/coates-the-good-ra...

Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Post by k__ »

ilolu wrote: post #45
yolesaber wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hillary was definitely an incredibly weak and flawed candidate. I'm of the opinion that Sanders would've walloped Trump. But I do have some input regarding the racial dimension of things... >I have even seen tweets claiming all Trump's voters (60 million people) are sexist, racist etc. It could just be a simple fact that people value other things more than just sexism and racism. I see a campaign that ran on hate and…

But still you can't label 60 million people just because they voted for Trump. There will be few who are racist. But by labelling everyone, you are basically ignoring the reasons they voted for Trump and increasing the divide. Trump took advantage of the many people's anxiety. What should be done is take steps for an inclusive growth including people who are anxious, dis-enchanted with establishment. But by labelling…

The thing is, anxiety or dis-enchantment and racism and sexism aren't mutally exclusive.

If you vote for someone how is racist and sexist, then you are part of the problems that racism and sexism are. Sure you vote for diffrent reasons, but you effectivly say "It's okay to be a racist as long as you help me to feed my kids"

Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Post by cholantesh »

Joeboy wrote: post #31

I don't expect this to be popular, but maybe one route out of this meme-driven, post-truth, clickbaity echo chamber political dystopia is that we get over the idea that it's terrible to pay (or charge) for news. Twenty years ago it seemed great that the net was disrupting traditional news outlets. Now we've played that out a bit, it seems like we miss the kind of work you can do if you have revenue that isn't coming…

>Now we've played that out a bit, it seems like we miss the kind of work you can do if you have revenue that isn't coming from advertisers or lobbyists.

Isn't a lot of the print outlets' revenue generated through advertising, though?

Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Post by dev360 »

travmatt wrote: post #21
dev360 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recently switched to Wall Street journal and I have been impressed by their reporting on politics. I felt like they reported objectively on this election, at least to the point where a bias was not distinguishable. Their tech news are also really good - you end up reading lots of stories that will be on the front page of HN throughout the day.

Business journalism typically comes with less partisanship when it comes to reporting politics. But my partisan, naive assumption would be that they cover subjects like TPP, the DAPL, and social security privatization from a very biased point of view.

Yes you are probably correct there.

Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Post by k__ »

ilolu wrote: post #14

When Hillary lost to one of the worst candidates ever in Trump, then its her fault. But from what I seen in social media, Hillary's supporters are just blaming everyone else for the loss rather than finding fault in their candidate. I have even seen tweets claiming all Trump's voters (60 million people) are sexist, racist etc. It could just be a simple fact that people value other things more than just sexism and rac…

> people value other things more than just sexism and racism

I think the point is, that most people have a rather extreme picture of being a sexist or racist.

No you don't have to run around and rape women to be a sexist

No you don't have to shave your head and batter blacks to be a racist.

It is enough if you simply accept people being that way.

And if you voted for Trump you didn't just accept that he is sexist or racist, you even approved for it by giving him something despite him acting like that.

The simple fact is, now people think it's okay to propagate hate if you get enough out of it.

Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Post by baldfat »

ilolu wrote: post #14

When Hillary lost to one of the worst candidates ever in Trump, then its her fault. But from what I seen in social media, Hillary's supporters are just blaming everyone else for the loss rather than finding fault in their candidate. I have even seen tweets claiming all Trump's voters (60 million people) are sexist, racist etc. It could just be a simple fact that people value other things more than just sexism and rac…

> Trump just sold people a better future to this voters than Hillary did. Whether he is going to solve any issues of his voters, is a different thing.

Really I found what he sold was doom and gloom. Death of America if he wasn't elected.

Seriously asking because I guess I am blind but what future is he selling besides we all would cease to exist as a country and a democracy if he lost?

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