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NASA Scientists Suggest We’ve Been Underestimating Sea Level Rise

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Re: NASA Scientists Suggest We’ve Been Underestimating Sea Level Rise

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Try a revenue neutral carbon tax.

In Australia we tried a scheme with very low economic impact (despite scaremongering to the contrary) carbon tax, which provably reduced emissions before its repeal. http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/carbon-pric...

That reminds me, where's my $750 Mr Abbott/Turnbull?

Re: NASA Scientists Suggest We’ve Been Underestimating Sea Level Rise

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Except India and China use less per capita than Westerners, and China is building low-carbon infrastructure mega-projects. Just because 100 people are dropping candy wrappers at the park doesn't make it okay for you to dump a bag of garbage.

Depends if your goal is to solve the problem or act morally.

The goal is to not sit on or arses while we wait for people who already produce less CO2 than us to reduce their usage.

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This makes me wonder. Could it affect seismic activity?

Indeed it can! "rapid deglaciation promotes earthquakes ... rebound stress that is available to trigger earthquakes today is of the order of 1 MPa. This stress level is not large enough to rupture intact rocks but is large enough to reactivate pre-existing faults that are close to failure." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-glacial_rebound#State_of_...

I always make my self look smarter and more legitimate by quoting the source that wikipedia quoted

You can do it too

Re: NASA Scientists Suggest We’ve Been Underestimating Sea Level Rise

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Try a revenue neutral carbon tax.

We're trying. The left opposes it because it doesn't make government bigger: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-lefts-opposition...

Meanwhile, the right can't even recognize it's a real issue.

What do you think the bigger barrier is?

Re: NASA Scientists Suggest We’ve Been Underestimating Sea Level Rise

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There is nothing we can do, as long China and India get a pass, 3.2 billion people in 2 country doing nothing. Even if the US disappeared off the face of the map, its still to late. I say let it happen, it will propel us into a new era off innovation and environmental awareness. No one is going to take it seriously until its to late anyway .

Suggesting China and India aren't doing enough is at best a form of colonialism and at worst racist. Both produce far less CO2 per capita than western countries. The west has an interest in stunting their industrial growth not out of any sort of altruistic concern, but because they fear competition. Regardless, both India and China are embracing renewables and clean energy at a faster pace than the west, they're not only the future economic powerhouses but also more progressive environmentally.

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They're building solar power plants everywhere, shutting down factories and coal power plants around large cities. "Other main targets include: – reduction of emissions from coal burning industries and vehicles2 – boost cleaner and more efficient use of coal – promote the use of electricity and natural gas in place of coal – support for wind, solar and bio power sectors; increase in proportion of clean energy – encou…

Not to mention that we're incredibly hypocritical about the fact that we happily burned coal and oil and continue to, but expect developing economies to just... stop. It's worse when you consider Europe getting uppity about migrancy, which is being causes in large part by drought related to climate change. It's going to be the story of this century: the people least responsible for climate change are going to disprop…

which is being causes in large part by drought related to climate change

Have an example? I thought it was a war in Syria.

Re: NASA Scientists Suggest We’ve Been Underestimating Sea Level Rise

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Depends if your goal is to solve the problem or act morally.

The goal is to not sit on or arses while we wait for people who already produce less CO2 than us to reduce their usage.

The real measure should be CO2 output per unit of GDP. We still need to make stuff, so if you're going to release CO2, it better be an efficient use of it.

Re: NASA Scientists Suggest We’ve Been Underestimating Sea Level Rise

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There is nothing we can do, as long China and India get a pass, 3.2 billion people in 2 country doing nothing. Even if the US disappeared off the face of the map, its still to late. I say let it happen, it will propel us into a new era off innovation and environmental awareness. No one is going to take it seriously until its to late anyway .

Population(Billions): US 0.3 - 1.2 India CO2 emissions per capita(metric tons): US 16.4 - 1.6 India [0] I see numbers like this, and I am surprised that in 2016, in the face of evidence and danger, we still have arguments like I will not do anything because you didn't do enough according to me. Let it all burn down. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_di...

The reason why the US is ~16 times higher in CO2 output is.... the US produces ~15 times more by GDP (2.45T vs. 0.17 T).

It's not like American's are just sitting there burning coal for the fun of it. It's being used to make stuff.

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They're building solar power plants everywhere, shutting down factories and coal power plants around large cities. "Other main targets include: – reduction of emissions from coal burning industries and vehicles2 – boost cleaner and more efficient use of coal – promote the use of electricity and natural gas in place of coal – support for wind, solar and bio power sectors; increase in proportion of clean energy – encou…

Not to mention that we're incredibly hypocritical about the fact that we happily burned coal and oil and continue to, but expect developing economies to just... stop. It's worse when you consider Europe getting uppity about migrancy, which is being causes in large part by drought related to climate change. It's going to be the story of this century: the people least responsible for climate change are going to disprop…

I hear this logic but dont buy it. Yes many western countries were polluting heavily during the industrial age, but that was using the best technology that existed at the time. The world now knows better about these harmful environmental practices, and has access to better tech to avoid this. If you apply this thinking that 'its what the other countries did previously' that's fine but then you do you expect developing continues not to utilise computers and other new technology for 50 years while they catch up? You cant have it both ways or your just cherry picking what suits your bias.

I feel the better arguement is that per capital these countries are lower polluters and we need to all strive to reduce pollution to an acceptable per-capita level. And as a global population need to look at how we lift everyone lifestyle while reducing environmental harm. This 'you had your turn polluting the world and now it's mine' lacks logic and will not solve the problem.

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