I'm only half kidding but how complex does modern js have to get before it is easier to code business apps in something like unity3d?
Step-by-step tutorial to build a modern JavaScript stack from scratch
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Re: Step-by-step tutorial to build a modern JavaScript stack from scratch
#52I feel like the people complaining about how many libraries there are in this stack don't know what these tools do. Most are small tools that do one thing very well. Yarn installs packages, much like Gem, NuGet, whatever. Pretty standard. React is a frontend framework. Not surprising that you'd use one. I suppose you could opt to write a giant pile of vanilla JavaScript instead (I'm assuming you're not using this kit…
I like it as well. I have yet to see tech stack that has comparable potential but is less complicated and can be stripped down as low as the web stack if your requirements permit it.
I mean yeah, if you have a big app, complex requirements, there is a bunch of stuff you need to take care of.
However, I would like to see the tech stack that allows you to do the same with less complexity.
It's not like Android (gradle?!, java 6?!, the android api!?) or iOS development is a walk in the park if you want to do anything with production quality.
Re: Step-by-step tutorial to build a modern JavaScript stack from scratch
#53I feel like the people complaining about how many libraries there are in this stack don't know what these tools do. Most are small tools that do one thing very well. Yarn installs packages, much like Gem, NuGet, whatever. Pretty standard. React is a frontend framework. Not surprising that you'd use one. I suppose you could opt to write a giant pile of vanilla JavaScript instead (I'm assuming you're not using this kit…
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Re: Step-by-step tutorial to build a modern JavaScript stack from scratch
#54At one extreme, one can build a modern app from scratch with no libraries. At the other, you can over-engineer it with far more libraries than you need. Somewhere in the middle lies the correct answer.
So the key is not necessarily to have a set boilerplate to start from. It is to understand what each tool offers, and why/when it is better then not having that tool. So you can look at a project, and make an informed decision of what stack to build.
Re: Step-by-step tutorial to build a modern JavaScript stack from scratch
#55I feel like the people complaining about how many libraries there are in this stack don't know what these tools do. Most are small tools that do one thing very well. Yarn installs packages, much like Gem, NuGet, whatever. Pretty standard. React is a frontend framework. Not surprising that you'd use one. I suppose you could opt to write a giant pile of vanilla JavaScript instead (I'm assuming you're not using this kit…
I'm usually one of those "JS frontend ecosystem is too complex" guys, but I found this tutorial to be quite approachable. Maybe the format of introducing one thing in each section helps?
There was a similar but much more complicated tutorial on HN a while back that I didn't get at all. Most of the explanation was handwavy - "just do this, trust me" - and the entire tutorial was dumped on a single page. Just looking at the scrollbar discouraged me!
I'm kind of surprised to see Yarn in a tutorial already. Welcome to the fast-moving world of JS, I guess?
Re: Step-by-step tutorial to build a modern JavaScript stack from scratch
#56What's the author's credibility? I know it's free, but why should I give my time to read this compared to other resources?
I don't know how to say it without sounding like a dick, but the amount of long "learn web dev" resources by people who can't write well and whose only ethos is just being a programmer is ridiculous.
Re: Step-by-step tutorial to build a modern JavaScript stack from scratch
#57Are you guys familiar with the term overengineering ?
I wonder what % of HN would be unemployed if companies moved away from crazy complex SPAs. Surely how crazy they get is a reason why many here have jobs.
Re: Step-by-step tutorial to build a modern JavaScript stack from scratch
#58Over the years (ok months) I build aversion against JS stacks. I tried to used many of them when they popped up and I was starting new project. But it was never a fit to me. However to give them at least some credit, I read sometimes list of libs they're using for inspiration.
Re: Step-by-step tutorial to build a modern JavaScript stack from scratch
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I hate going to websites that literally don't work @ all if I have no JavaScript enabled It is no surprise that businesses don't want to spend an extra 20% development time supporting 0.5% of web users. At some point, it becomes a problem for the user - you cannot support everyone.
Except they could spare 200% development time with only HTML+CSS. Many times the real motivation is monetization. Simple sites like HN that don't get revenue from readership don't need Javascript.
Agreed. Why spend more effort making sites less usable for everyone? If you keep things small and simple, you spend less time developing and they are more resilient
Re: Step-by-step tutorial to build a modern JavaScript stack from scratch
#60 An excellent description of the stack and an able "defense". Thank you very much