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Twitter Has an Old Media Problem, Here’s a Solution

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I'm pretty sure reddit is operating at a loss, as is hackernews. You need better examples :)

so what? sometimes public services cost money. the comment i was replying to mentioned connecting humanity without creating a sewer, not profit.

These aren't public services, they're private endeavors.

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Apple is a better fit. Google already has Youtube and Youtube Comments. Apple has AppleTV but doesnt control the metaconversation around their content they host. If Apple wants to be a part of live-reality, Periscope+iPhone puts them in a good position against Facebook. They also both have somewhat stagnant software innovation right now, so they could grow old slowly together. But more importantly, Apple could run Tw…

> But more importantly, Apple could run Twitter at a loss as a data platform around their product. This is something I don't understand. Pardon me if this sounds pie in the sky but how much does it cost to RUN Twitter without any expectations of profit? It seems like the people here in the conversation have knowledge that I lack about Twitter's expenses. It probably is public information but I can't find anything sat…

exactly. twitter SHOULD be a fairly cheap company to run if it focused on its main platform and not its profit platform.

plus, if Apple bought twitter, twitter could go back to what it was, before it closed access to its apis/firehose. Twitter was the developers, developers, developers haven, that Apple/TheAppstore should LOVE to have. Everyone and their mom wanted to write an app ontop of the twitter datastream.

In my crazy delusional mind, Apple should buy Twitter, strip it of everything that is not communication (such as growth strategy, marketing, sales, ads) and merge it into the AppStore as a api/service provided by Apple. Similar to Microsoft's Azure/Cognitive AI type stuff. https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/services/cognitive-service...

Obviously they would need to keep the API open to Android apps as well, but I think it would be a good first shot at Google/Facebooks/Microsofts recognition that you have to cater to other platforms, and it would be a way to ensure iOS apps continue to be first class citizens compared to Android. Twitter would be available to Android devs, but it would always be more tightly integrated to iOS.

At some point, if Apple wants to continue to be a software player, they might need to buy a marketing company, like say Adobe Marketing Cloud. Owning twitter would make them lucratively competitive against Salesforce/Dynamics etc.

The reason I think Apple cant buy twitter is harassment. Twitters free speech values conflict with Apple's happy image.

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Here's a great picture of "families who have understood that the press is a civic calling" (what is this supposed to be, the Venetian Republic?) in action: When bloomberg was having problems w the times he called Arthur [Sulzberger] and asked for coffee. He made the case that they were treating him like a billionaire dilettante instead of Third term mayor. It changed the coverage moderately but also aired the issues…

Not sure what the big deal is here. Political operatives are angling for good coverage? That kind of thing has always gone on. If you think this is bad, you should read about what went on back in the old days.

The problem is whether the media responds to the angling and provides good coverage while reducing negative coverage. The operatives doing this and the news media responding positively has almost certainly been happening since the beginning of news, but that doesn't excuse the behavior.

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I can't believe how quickly you guys are jumping to the conclusion of letting twitter die. It has a lot of value for common people to report problems and make them being noticed. For example, I've lost the count of how many people have gotten a better deal with companies that in the first place offered them a bad service / product, just by publicly reporting them on twitter. Also lot of people get a quick support res…

If the concept is valuable, something will spring up to replace it.

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Old Media has a Twitter problem. They don't have the solution. NY Times is barely profitable. Some mainstream publications are in a similar situation, most are hemorrhaging money all over the printing floor. Money is one thing, but what the established media are really frightened by is the loss of power they have been witnessing over the last few years. They do not like it one bit. "The country’s pre-eminent newspape…

> "The country’s pre-eminent newspapers, including this one, have long been controlled by families who have understood that the press is not just an ordinary industry, but a civic calling." Doublespeak at its finest. Love it.

Yes, especially since we don't get these families' definition of "civic calling". It could be "help fellow humans be more informed" or "control information to our liking for the betterment of the society we want". Both could be seen as beneficial from certain points of view.

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so what? sometimes public services cost money. the comment i was replying to mentioned connecting humanity without creating a sewer, not profit.

These aren't public services, they're private endeavors.

arent sewers usually municipal? if twitter is a virtual telephony infrastructure, maybe we should treat its successor more like a municipal telecom. that said, it would also be federated systems compared to monolithic, so the analogy doesnt hold perfectly.

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So this article claims the problem with Twitter is that advertisers don't bring in enough money because of hate speech in Twitter. This is just absurd, any sources on that claim? Why would advertisers care of the content? They are scared people would associate the company to the hate tweets?

It happens all the time right now. How many times have we've seen press releases that explain the company's position of distancing itself from some stupid thing on the Internet that stupid people wrongfully attribute to the company in some stupid way?

The recent bowl of Skittles analogy is a prime example. Everyone knows it had nothing to do with Skittles the company, yet they still felt the need to release a statement because people are stupid. Because if they didn't release a statement then some idiot would come along and claim the company supported the analogy.

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Twitter is not infrastructure. An LTE network is infrastructure. An optical fiber cable is part of infrastructure. Amazon AWS is perhaps infrastructure. I don't get these weird redefinitions of common words that don't convey the original meaning at all.

Yep, same with the word "hacker": Some people like to call themselves a hacker when they simply made a meal or put some clothes into a bag nicely ... Then again, isn't language always changing and words are constantly redefined, reused, ommitted and invented etc. Although we should strive for common definitions of words, we should also allow for change. Twitter is not infrastructure though.

>> Then again, isn't language always changing and words are constantly redefined, reused, ommitted and invented etc.

There's a difference between a language evolving in a natural, organic way versus someone using a word incorrectly while insisting it is correct and that everyone must change to suit them.

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These aren't public services, they're private endeavors.

arent sewers usually municipal? if twitter is a virtual telephony infrastructure, maybe we should treat its successor more like a municipal telecom. that said, it would also be federated systems compared to monolithic, so the analogy doesnt hold perfectly.

You may or may not be right, but certainly at this point they are not public services. The tragedy is that people treat them like they are, hence cries of "censorship".
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