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Re: Google reveals statistics on government requests of its data

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I have friends born & raised in China who say the exact opposite of what you are are saying.

I was reading a popular Chinese forum (tianya.cn) thread on contaminated food, and I was surprised at how anti-government the tone was. (think reddit, but more extreme) There were jokes taking direct jabs at the party and state, and I was amazed that they didn't get taken down. I think Chinese tend to avoid talking shit about their country in front of foreigners to "save face". It seems to be part of the culture.

I am not surprised that you are surprised that tianya.cn ( hosted in Beijing) is still online. We talk shit about Chinese government like that when I was in college, and that's more than a decade ago. One of the most famous forum at the time is called "Shui Mu Qing Hua." This is just one of many mythes that western media contributed to, and that's why I ask people to get some first-hand source. Just to clarify, I don't mean there are free speech in China in the same level with that in western countries. I mean the fact that you are surprised is because western media is doing a bad job reporting China and people seem to have complete faith in those news.

Now when it comes to talking shit in front of foreigners to save face and part of Chinese culture, I hope you don't mean that Chinese culture is inferior. When my Americans friends talk shit about their government in front of me, they understand that I speak fluent English and I know exactly what they mean. I don't talk shit about Chinese government in front of westerners I am not close with, because I know they don't speak Chinese, know nothing about Chinese culture (or feeling Chinese culture is inferior) and will take my comments out of context. Let me give you an example: giving cash as gift to people you know, friends, colleagues, bosses, is a new year tradition in China, and the money amount can be very large. We have similar gift-exchange for many occasions. This is a tradition that everyone in China follow, and it does make it difficult to fight corruption. In western countries when nobody should accept gift of more than $25 from people with working relationships, there is no way people can understand this, and most likely, they will (or self-righteously) say this tradition is backward. Power to you if you can change a culture, but it is ridiculous to see westerns response when hearing you might receive a cash gift worth a week of your income and there is nothing wrong with it. Culture difference between China and the West, is much bigger than the difference between western countries.

Re: Google reveals statistics on government requests of its data

#52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have friends born & raised in China who say the exact opposite of what you are are saying.

I was reading a popular Chinese forum (tianya.cn) thread on contaminated food, and I was surprised at how anti-government the tone was. (think reddit, but more extreme) There were jokes taking direct jabs at the party and state, and I was amazed that they didn't get taken down. I think Chinese tend to avoid talking shit about their country in front of foreigners to "save face". It seems to be part of the culture.

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Re: Google reveals statistics on government requests of its data

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The breakdown by the type of removal requests is somewhat more telling than the raw numbers. Brasil: 75% orkut Germany: 52% web search, 38% YouTube India: 84% orkut US: 57% YouTube, 20% web search

That's not really telling considering that usage of orkut in Brazil and India is orders of magnitude higher than in the US or Germany.

I think the insinuation is that the takedown requests, though numerous, are usually for little stuff like high school bullying and DMCA enforcement rather than for political reasons or other much sketchier things.

Re: Google reveals statistics on government requests of its data

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post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not really telling considering that usage of orkut in Brazil and India is orders of magnitude higher than in the US or Germany.

I think the insinuation is that the takedown requests, though numerous, are usually for little stuff like high school bullying and DMCA enforcement rather than for political reasons or other much sketchier things.

Yes, it's probably not political stuff. Bullying, slander, fake accounts are rampant in Orkut.

Also, it used to have many security holes (maybe still has, I don't use it anymore) and Brazil has no shortage of script kiddies. So there many cases of hijacked accounts and communities.

Re: Google reveals statistics on government requests of its data

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I'm a fan of Google, but notice how they on the one hand posture as champions of freedom of information, but on the other hand do things like omit any commenting feature from pages like this, so the hard questions cannot be asked directly on the site. It's a kind of preemptive censorship-by-site-design, imho. Irony ftw.

Re: Google reveals statistics on government requests of its data

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post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the insinuation is that the takedown requests, though numerous, are usually for little stuff like high school bullying and DMCA enforcement rather than for political reasons or other much sketchier things.

Yes, it's probably not political stuff. Bullying, slander, fake accounts are rampant in Orkut. Also, it used to have many security holes (maybe still has, I don't use it anymore) and Brazil has no shortage of script kiddies. So there many cases of hijacked accounts and communities.

s/there many/there have been many
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