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Re: Errors from Microsoft's Cloud

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Post by bad_user »

reacharavindh wrote: post #45
MichaelGG wrote: post #27

I know multiple customers with significant free Azure credit that prefer to pay for Google Cloud or AWS over using Azure for anything critical. The management system is a mess - the new portal is nutty and slow. The old one lacks key features and operations are still slow. I can't understate how frustrating and time consuming this is. Maybe I'm using it wrong, but whatever. Using GCP is a blast of fresh air - light,…

If one has free credit for cloud resources, why can't they use the free money to just spin up some resources for non-critical work? Say log processing, run public tests etc.... I know I would if I were running a company and MS comes up to me with this.

If you're going to do log processing, it means you've got data to process. And I haven't worked with AWS since 3 years ago, but in general external bandwidth is expensive, which is why you want to keep everything in the same data center where bandwidth is free and where you have no latency.

Re: Errors from Microsoft's Cloud

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Post by serge2k »

sqeaky wrote: post #46
reacharavindh wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If one has free credit for cloud resources, why can't they use the free money to just spin up some resources for non-critical work? Say log processing, run public tests etc.... I know I would if I were running a company and MS comes up to me with this.

What if the hassle simply does not outweigh the cost of the flaky VMs? There are several reasons the hassles might not be worthwhile even if the free VM is 100% reliable. Most other VM hosts offer mostly Linux solutions and Linux skill is not always transferable to windows. If your organization has those skills then the wasted time cost might than a familiar VM would have cost.

You can run linux on azure.

Re: Errors from Microsoft's Cloud

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Post by craigvn »

Must say I disagree with most of the comments here. I use both Azure and AWS and would choose Azure every day of the week. The Azure portal UX does look like it was designed by designers, but the AWS portal feels like it was designed by developers, totally unintuitive. Something in the middle would be better, like the old Azure Management.

Re: Errors from Microsoft's Cloud

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Post by azuretoss12 »

__derek__ wrote: post #49
reacharavindh wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If one has free credit for cloud resources, why can't they use the free money to just spin up some resources for non-critical work? Say log processing, run public tests etc.... I know I would if I were running a company and MS comes up to me with this.

I've chatted with people who've gone through Microsoft Accelerator, and that's exactly what they're doing.

Yep. Also I can confirm that for at least some accounting, MS treats the free credits as revenue. They will give discounts and consideration based on your spend even when the spend is just credit another dept gave out. Clients have told me of very happy calls from MS reps when their projected spend for the year exceeded 50K even though it was nearly 100% credits.

Re: Errors from Microsoft's Cloud

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Post by reacharavindh »

bad_user wrote: post #51
reacharavindh wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If one has free credit for cloud resources, why can't they use the free money to just spin up some resources for non-critical work? Say log processing, run public tests etc.... I know I would if I were running a company and MS comes up to me with this.

If you're going to do log processing, it means you've got data to process. And I haven't worked with AWS since 3 years ago, but in general external bandwidth is expensive, which is why you want to keep everything in the same data center where bandwidth is free and where you have no latency.

Good point. Agreed.

But, don't the free credit cover the bill incurred from bandwidth as well?

Re: Errors from Microsoft's Cloud

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Post by sljd »

mattmanser wrote: post #43
boulos wrote: post #41

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You aren't crazy. I'd recommend testing from your app with a simple speed-of-light test (e.g., SELECT 1;) just in case your queries are slow. Perhaps Azure SQL did the same thing we sadly did with the first version of Cloud SQL: run it in a totally different environment that requires you to go through several hops to reach the actual (MySQL in our case) server. But even then Cloud SQL First Generation was "only" 1ms…

Yeah, that's how I figured out the cause of the problem. Had fixed a load of performance problems on a page, but couldn't get rid of 500ms compared to my laptop and realised it must be query latency and was surprised to see 100 "SELECT 1"s using the same connection consistently took 300-600ms (and it jumps around all the time in that range). The ridiculous thing is that the test server running on S1 has better perfor…

SQL Express has several performance limits and goes idle when not used.
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