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Facebook apologises for removing breast cancer awareness video

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Re: Facebook apologises for removing breast cancer awareness video

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Post by iamdave »

jonlucc wrote: post #44
iamdave wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why can't those people use the function Facebook designed specifically for this in the first place, the function I use whenever I see some stupid, insipid, high school grade political meme? "Hide this post" I'll take honest answers and snarky ones as well, provided the snarky ones come with a genuine laugh because with this DDoS going on this morning I could REALLY use a chuckle right now..

I'd wager that they might say that once you see the damaging thing, the damage is already done. Therefore, hiding after the fact is not the same for emotionally scarring stuff and silly stuff that is just spammy.

Hrm. Okay, that's valid. Can't bring myself to agree with facebook wholesale removing content like this, but one size does not fit all so I'll give you that concession.

Re: Facebook apologises for removing breast cancer awareness video

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Post by Swizec »

jacquesm wrote: post #21
Swizec wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If she was doing it in an open office for everyone to see? Probably, yeah. I wouldn't say anything, obviously, but I definitely wouldn't be as comfortable with it as I would, say, a sneeze. I'm sure my female coworkers wouldn't mind vigorous nutsack scratching out in the open for all to see would they? It also is a perfectly natural activity and often necessary. But hey, I also get annoyed at people who chew loudly.…

Swizec, you're disappointing me with these comments. It's maybe related to how your culture views these things but women breastfeeding in public is (and should be) perfectly normal anywhere and if it makes you feel uncomfortable then I suggest the problem is on your end. As for you scratching yourself: that is not something for which there are no alternative options, however, breastfeeding a newborn happens frequentl…

> If the lady is comfortable with it and you're not you could simply ignore them?

Which is what I would do. Politely ignore it.

And that means I'm uncomfortable. I don't tend to politely ignore things that I am comfortable with.

That said, I think we're missing the point. Why is the mum of a newborn in the office in the first place? She should be enjoying her many weeks (52 would be great) of paid maternity leave. And society should not penalize her for it, of course. That's the problem we should solve, not whether pumping/feeding at the office is polite or not.

Re: Facebook apologises for removing breast cancer awareness video

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Post by DanBC »

ravenstine wrote: post #26
jacquesm wrote: post #3

Just imagine the harm seeing a breast can do to a vulnerable young child. /s Facebook needs to literally grow up, removing porn is one thing but clinical images, mothers feeding their children and such should not even be up for discussion. It's a fine line between protecting your users from seeing offensive content and outright censorship, good to see them doing the right thing in this case, pity it is still on a 'ca…

Why can't Facebook filter out whatever they want to filter out? I mean, you wouldn't want to see penises all over your feed, and not everyone necessarily agrees with you about the appearance of breasts(except me, I want more breasts on my Facebook), so I can understand why Facebook would make such a decision without necessarily deeming it as wrong. Nobody has to use Facebook. And their main criterion, "is the interne…

> Why can't Facebook filter out whatever they want to filter out?

Why can't people let Facebook know what should and shouldn't be filtered?

Facebook already have policy that breasts are ok when they're raising awareness of breast cancer or being used to feed children, so facebook is ignoring their own existing policy.

Re: Facebook apologises for removing breast cancer awareness video

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Post by sfaf »

protomyth wrote: post #16
jacquesm wrote: post #3

Just imagine the harm seeing a breast can do to a vulnerable young child. /s Facebook needs to literally grow up, removing porn is one thing but clinical images, mothers feeding their children and such should not even be up for discussion. It's a fine line between protecting your users from seeing offensive content and outright censorship, good to see them doing the right thing in this case, pity it is still on a 'ca…

The weird thing is I'm around a lot of conservatives in a conservative place in this country, you know, the people who supposedly are the ones getting offended. I haven't found one damn person who thinks Facebook is doing the right thing. I'm really trying to find these offended people, but I cannot. The Vietnam photo censorship was met with quite a bit of confusion since I think most folks misremember it being our h…

Do you remember the super bowl janet jackson fiasco? There were millions of people outraged by an accident and it almost wrecked her career. It's issue like this that mean that Facebook has to build aggressive adult filters that will have false positives. Because frankly the cost of a false negative is much much bigger than a false positive.

Re: Facebook apologises for removing breast cancer awareness video

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Post by forgottenpass »

ravenstine wrote: post #26
jacquesm wrote: post #3

Just imagine the harm seeing a breast can do to a vulnerable young child. /s Facebook needs to literally grow up, removing porn is one thing but clinical images, mothers feeding their children and such should not even be up for discussion. It's a fine line between protecting your users from seeing offensive content and outright censorship, good to see them doing the right thing in this case, pity it is still on a 'ca…

Why can't Facebook filter out whatever they want to filter out? I mean, you wouldn't want to see penises all over your feed, and not everyone necessarily agrees with you about the appearance of breasts(except me, I want more breasts on my Facebook), so I can understand why Facebook would make such a decision without necessarily deeming it as wrong. Nobody has to use Facebook. And their main criterion, "is the interne…

I mean, you wouldn't want to see penises all over your feed

Why wouldn't I? You assume I'm some sort of prude?

They'd fit right in with everything else in my feed that my friends post and I don't care about.

Re: Facebook apologises for removing breast cancer awareness video

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Post by DanBC »

wyager wrote: post #15
lukasm wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

P0rn is illegal in many countries. Facebook wants to do business in these countries, hence aggressive filtering and minimum liability.

Women leaving their faces uncovered is illegal in many countries. This should have zero bearing on what I can do in my own country.

> Women leaving their faces uncovered is illegal in many countries.

Which countries?

Re: Facebook apologises for removing breast cancer awareness video

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Post by protomyth »

sfaf wrote: post #54
protomyth wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The weird thing is I'm around a lot of conservatives in a conservative place in this country, you know, the people who supposedly are the ones getting offended. I haven't found one damn person who thinks Facebook is doing the right thing. I'm really trying to find these offended people, but I cannot. The Vietnam photo censorship was met with quite a bit of confusion since I think most folks misremember it being our h…

Do you remember the super bowl janet jackson fiasco? There were millions of people outraged by an accident and it almost wrecked her career. It's issue like this that mean that Facebook has to build aggressive adult filters that will have false positives. Because frankly the cost of a false negative is much much bigger than a false positive.

Millions? the FCC said there were 540,000 complaints from Americans[1] of which 65,000 came from the Parents Television Council[2]. The media cared more than the people.

Heck, I wonder if we polled on it, how many think MTV's response was the bigger problem.

1) http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/2005-01-20-bowl-cover_x... from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XXXVIII_halftime-sh...

2) I'll save my commentary on them for another time

Re: Facebook apologises for removing breast cancer awareness video

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Post by conatico »

cloudjacker wrote: post #24
conatico wrote: post #19

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The only ones who are offended are the advertisers. As a far right winger, I can't see anything wrong with making sure our women are in good health. :)

And this is an assumption that advertisers would be offended too!

Facebook assumes that advertisers will be offended because advertisers assume that a certain % of consumers will be offended and they'd rather not lose that %, as small as it might be.

Re: Facebook apologises for removing breast cancer awareness video

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Post by DanBC »

jacquesm wrote: post #3

Just imagine the harm seeing a breast can do to a vulnerable young child. /s Facebook needs to literally grow up, removing porn is one thing but clinical images, mothers feeding their children and such should not even be up for discussion. It's a fine line between protecting your users from seeing offensive content and outright censorship, good to see them doing the right thing in this case, pity it is still on a 'ca…

> pity it is still on a 'case-by-case' basis instead of a healthy review of their policies.

They reviewed their policies over a year ago and images of breasts are allowed if they're breastfeeding, or after mastectomy (either reconstructed or tattooed or just left) or raising awareness.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/03/16/breastfeeding-fac...

https://www.facebook.com/help/340974655932193

https://www.facebook.com/help/318612434939348?helpref=search

What you see here are people reporting images, and facebook algos / employees mistakenly banning.

Re: Facebook apologises for removing breast cancer awareness video

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Post by h4nkoslo »

"Breast cancer awareness" is a thing only because it is a form of signaling that privileges female bodies. That's why it has such tremendous buy-in despite already saturated "awareness" going back 20 years, or the fact that there are a half-dozen causes of death with greater preventibility and lethality even just considering women.

I'm really tired of people engaging in pointless signaling campaigns and expecting to get points for being So Brave in the face of ~ universal consensus that they are correct, or taking minor bureaucratic snafus like this as evidence that they are somehow not in a position of complete victory.

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