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Re: Facebook seems not to be paying app developer $160K in ad revenue

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Post by fennecfoxen »

skrebbel wrote: post #25
gubby wrote: post #21

I am not a lawyer. I think a mistake many people make in ongoing situations like these is contacting (and thereby deferring to) a companies 'support' channel. By asking them to reconsider, you almost subject yourself to their authority. If you believe you have a legal dispute, you should write to them officially, cc your legal advisor if you have one. Given the sums involved I would personally take professional legal…

I am not American. I read this sort of advice a lot here on HN and it always puzzles me. If I were to believe HN, the only way people ever do business in the US is through their lawyers. Or, at least, the moment there's some sort of misunderstanding or screwup there's always someone on HN who says "lawyer up!" and it's usually the top comment. Somehow, apparently, trying to sort things out the oldschool "hey we're bo…

> If I were to believe HN, the only way people ever do business in the US is through their lawyers.

Your exposure is selective: you only get to hear about the cases where normal business has totally broken down (here, to the tune of six figures). This is true of most international news coverage, really...

Re: Facebook seems not to be paying app developer $160K in ad revenue

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Post by martin-adams »

jwildeboer wrote: post #34
zem wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

as per reddit comments, it's 160k Ukrainian dollars, or a little over 6k usd

Ukraine does not use dollars. Their currency is called Hrywnia. This is about 1600000 USD.

Divided by 10

Re: Facebook seems not to be paying app developer $160K in ad revenue

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Post by ChoHag »

skrebbel wrote: post #25
gubby wrote: post #21

I am not a lawyer. I think a mistake many people make in ongoing situations like these is contacting (and thereby deferring to) a companies 'support' channel. By asking them to reconsider, you almost subject yourself to their authority. If you believe you have a legal dispute, you should write to them officially, cc your legal advisor if you have one. Given the sums involved I would personally take professional legal…

I am not American. I read this sort of advice a lot here on HN and it always puzzles me. If I were to believe HN, the only way people ever do business in the US is through their lawyers. Or, at least, the moment there's some sort of misunderstanding or screwup there's always someone on HN who says "lawyer up!" and it's usually the top comment. Somehow, apparently, trying to sort things out the oldschool "hey we're bo…

"Speak to a lawyer" does not mean "make legal threats". It's possible and even advisable for lawyers to do other things.

Re: Facebook seems not to be paying app developer $160K in ad revenue

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Post by jondubois »

chii wrote: post #19
willvarfar wrote: post #4

Sad that the reddit advice is: [–]guitartrashmaster 45 points 4 hours ago Dude post on hacker news trust me perma-linkembedsavereportgive goldreply [–]VikingIV -2 points 45 minutes ago This. Its the same with google; the only way for devs to get any kind of traction is by kicking up a fuss on HN. Its crazy that it has to be this way.

Except that for every fuss kicked up, there's probably countless ones that feel through the front page and never saw the light of day. The process of calling out shitty behaviour should not have to involve popularity.

I think it captures what is happening with society.

If you're not famous, then you have effectively no legal rights unless something REALLY REALLY bad happens to you.

This is only going to get worse as the total number of violations by corporations increase and the media can no longer keep up with most of them - Only the most vile/blatant breaches will be punished.

I can easily imagine that in 20 years, there will be so many breaches of the law by corporations that they will get away with it most of the time... Or if we're lucky and the legal system still works, large corporations will be forced to hire huge numbers of lawyers to be able to defend themselves from the constant stream of claims.

I think that's because the economy has become so competitive that it's difficult for a company to turn a profit without committing lots of minor transgressions (their competitors are doing it). So the most profitable company ends up being the one which commits the most breaches and has the highest rate of success at getting cases against it thrown out of court.

Re: Facebook seems not to be paying app developer $160K in ad revenue

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Post by caf »

ChoHag wrote: post #53
skrebbel wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not American. I read this sort of advice a lot here on HN and it always puzzles me. If I were to believe HN, the only way people ever do business in the US is through their lawyers. Or, at least, the moment there's some sort of misunderstanding or screwup there's always someone on HN who says "lawyer up!" and it's usually the top comment. Somehow, apparently, trying to sort things out the oldschool "hey we're bo…

"Speak to a lawyer" does not mean "make legal threats". It's possible and even advisable for lawyers to do other things.

Right. Lawyers are basically professional negotiators.

Re: Facebook seems not to be paying app developer $160K in ad revenue

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Post by imtringued »

johnm1019 wrote: post #15
anondon wrote: post #3

Can anyone backup those revenue numbers from past experience? Curiously, the application name was not posted. I don't want to call bullsh*t, but if the claims could be verified, the discussion can move on to how to actually deal with the situation. I believe there are Facebook employees on HN, would it be possible to bring this matter to the attention of the concerned people, if the claims turn out to be valid?

I believe the application name appears in this message mentioned in the reddit post? http://i.imgur.com/KHM2KE1.png It appears in Cyrillic.

The black bar hides the name.

Re: Facebook seems not to be paying app developer $160K in ad revenue

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Post by akhatri_aus »

rplnt wrote: post #11
rspeer wrote: post #8

This title's grammar is mangled and confusing on HN. The $160000 was for the developer, not for anyone else. The "for those who use Facebook ads" was a separate clause saying who the post is for. I know HN approves of original titles but also disapproves of sensationalism and exclamation points. I would suggest something like: App developer says: "Facebook stole my $160000"

And they didn't steal it either. They just didn't pay it out yet, it says pending. And even if it was canceled or whatever, "steal" is not the right word since they were never his money to begin with.

This is an interesting interpretation of (possible) theft.

What if Facebook has no intention of paying it out?

Re: Facebook seems not to be paying app developer $160K in ad revenue

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Post by ivanche »

zem wrote: post #24
anondon wrote: post #3

Can anyone backup those revenue numbers from past experience? Curiously, the application name was not posted. I don't want to call bullsh*t, but if the claims could be verified, the discussion can move on to how to actually deal with the situation. I believe there are Facebook employees on HN, would it be possible to bring this matter to the attention of the concerned people, if the claims turn out to be valid?

as per reddit comments, it's 160k Ukrainian dollars, or a little over 6k usd

Isn't Ukrainian currency still called hryvnia?
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