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YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

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Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

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Post by daveloyall »

Grr... Is google seeking praise for slightly loosening the shackles?

This "YouTube Go" MIGHT be a media player. It MIGHT operate on files. It MIGHT be possible to share a video via some mechanism other than bluetooth.

The other day I was trying to convince to a user that she should want to own her content, rather than rent it... when I suddenly realized that he doesn't know what a file is. Moreover, he doesn't realize what it is good for...

Once you have a (DRM free) file, it's yours. You physically possess it. That means you can copy it, share it, back it up, print it, pipe the raw ones and zeros to your PC speaker, whatever. The next generation might not get that...

The fact of the matter is that until I was college-aged, nobody taught me more about computers than Microsoft did. I read every .txt file and .hlp file that existed on my C:\ drive. Not to mention the physical manuals... Then I went on to Linux, etc.

So I KNOW what a file is. You and I can have a conversation about mtimes. We can rattle off a list of traits that each file must possess to BE a file.

What the heck is Google teaching this next generation?

Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

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Post by rekuplex »

jonthepirate wrote: post #49

I would love the ability to leave a video playing on my phone when I turn the screen off. I often will listen to a song but as soon as the app minimizes or the phone goes to sleep mode, it stops.

The app doesn't allow that, but if your browse youtube trough Firefox, you can do it.

Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

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Post by tanmayrajani »

gtirloni wrote: post #7

I don't understand why a new app if this could just be an additional feature in the current app. Doesn't this lead to fragmentation and confusion?

IMO, that's because YouTube Go is an app with experimental features. They're not sure whether these features make complete sense for adding all of them blindly to YouTube app itself.

Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

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Post by WalterBright »

daveloyall wrote: post #51

Grr... Is google seeking praise for slightly loosening the shackles? This "YouTube Go" MIGHT be a media player. It MIGHT operate on files. It MIGHT be possible to share a video via some mechanism other than bluetooth. The other day I was trying to convince to a user that she should want to own her content, rather than rent it... when I suddenly realized that he doesn't know what a file is. Moreover, he doesn't realiz…

It isn't just Google. There's no user concept of a file on the iPhone, either.

Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

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Post by exolymph »

daveloyall wrote: post #51

Grr... Is google seeking praise for slightly loosening the shackles? This "YouTube Go" MIGHT be a media player. It MIGHT operate on files. It MIGHT be possible to share a video via some mechanism other than bluetooth. The other day I was trying to convince to a user that she should want to own her content, rather than rent it... when I suddenly realized that he doesn't know what a file is. Moreover, he doesn't realiz…

Owning is just so much less convenient than renting access. I vastly prefer the experience of using Spotify and Netflix to the experience of maintaining my own music and media collections.

Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

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Post by teach »

ksk wrote: post #47
dragonwriter wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But why would it need a rewrite? Because the UX focus is different, the assumed technical infrastructure context is different, and, well, basically everything except the backend service consumed is different. Youtube Go is more distinct in role from the core Youtube app than the other break out apps (which mostly are distinguished by content focus on UX tweaks around the focal content) like Youtube Kids, Youtube Mu…

I guess we have to agree to disagree. I don't think adding a button or two is some fundamental change that requires 10 meetings with 2 designers and 5 developers. They're already streaming the video data, just save it to a file in addition/option to rendering it. They can already play video data, just play it from the file instead of streaming it.

In my opinion, default offline vs default online is a HUGE architectural difference. You could probably try to hack it into the existing player, but it wouldn't work well.

A ground-up rewrite wouldn't surprise me at all for such a change.

Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

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Post by joncalhoun »

jonthepirate wrote: post #49

I would love the ability to leave a video playing on my phone when I turn the screen off. I often will listen to a song but as soon as the app minimizes or the phone goes to sleep mode, it stops.

You can do this on Android. At least I can, as a Google music subscriber (so I have YouTube Red). I just tested it with a random video.

Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

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Post by dragonwriter »

ksk wrote: post #47
dragonwriter wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But why would it need a rewrite? Because the UX focus is different, the assumed technical infrastructure context is different, and, well, basically everything except the backend service consumed is different. Youtube Go is more distinct in role from the core Youtube app than the other break out apps (which mostly are distinguished by content focus on UX tweaks around the focal content) like Youtube Kids, Youtube Mu…

I guess we have to agree to disagree. I don't think adding a button or two is some fundamental change that requires 10 meetings with 2 designers and 5 developers. They're already streaming the video data, just save it to a file in addition/option to rendering it. They can already play video data, just play it from the file instead of streaming it.

> I don't think adding a button or two is some fundamental change

Neither do I, but the change here isn't "adding a button or two".

Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

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Post by hubert123 »

well it would be cool if i could tag a bunch of videos to be viewed offline in the app. I have a music list on youtube and sometimes i have for example a political debate that is an hour long, it would be cool if i could just tap on it in youtube to make it offline viewable instead of going through the massive hassle of downloading it somehow, transferring it to the phone etc and then maybe i dont want to watch it anyway..

Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

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Post by gcb0 »

ghostly_s wrote: post #20

As much as this sounds like something I would personally be very interested in, I can't help but think it doesn't fit into Google's ideal of how customers use their products. Rather I get the impression they're pursuing this begrudgingly just as a way to get into the Indian market; the announcement is notably non-committal about it ever being rolled out in the US.

you are right on. This is google-version of the facebook PR fiasco with free internet.

They will never sell youtube RED to that market. RED is only for the san francisco bubble, where everyone already pay $100 overall for streaming services (hulu, netflix, pandora, spotify, etc, etc).

But for those other markets, they actually still rely on eyeballs and ads. And on those markets, they have to open a few concessions to actually get the eyeballs.

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