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Why I’m Investing $500M in Migrants

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Re: Why I’m Investing $500M in Migrants

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Re: Why I’m Investing $500M in Migrants

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At the risk of sounding overly cynical, while it's great that Mr. Soros is donating this money to a worthy cause, I wonder if, as long as he's feeling charitable, he might also be willing to stop domiciling his investment vehicles in jurisdictions known for supporting tax evasion/avoidance. Perhaps with the increased tax revenue, governments could afford to better shoulder the costs of adequately integrating migrants…

He's not donating money to a worthy cause. He's investing money in immigrants, and betting against the host nation's currency. It's how he's made his fortune.

I didn't know he had a history of betting-shorting against currency. I thought it was just that one huge time?

I've always found him to be a straight shooter.

He's the only rich boy, who has constantly told the truth, at least to the creation of great wealth.

And what is that great variable in the equation? It's just is a wealthy father. A father who allows you to take financial risk. A father who mentors you--in the right way. A father who helps out at the right moments--with good advice, and steers you to his helpful friends when in trouble.

The wealthy boys always leave that out of the, "What it takes to make a large sum of money speech."

The one area he seems to be in denial, or wrong is his writing ability. He blames his lack of accolades for his writing on his wealth. He claims if he was poor, his writing would be taken more seriously. I have read some of his work, and he's just an average writer--in my opinion. Other than fancying himself as a great writer; he is one of the guys I listen to.

He is getting older though.

Re: Why I’m Investing $500M in Migrants

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Soros is directly responsible for massive increases in rape in Germany and Sweden, as well as encouraging terrorism in the west with his compulsive promotion of immigration of unsuitable people. It's noticeable that he does not promote Syrian immigration to Israel, which is next door and has taken in zero refugees, and instead uses all of his resources to force Western countries to accept thousands of young unaccompa…

There's either a falsity or serious misunderstanding of facts in each one of your sentences.

Re: Why I’m Investing $500M in Migrants

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As a German who follows this thing very closely, I'm afraid this is not true. At least in my city, there is a vastly unproportional amount of sexual crimes committed by refugees. I know that's as uncomfortable as it gets. But as a pure fact it is true, independent of any political affiliation.

As a fellow German please remember that these cases are reported more than 'normal' rape cases. It's a simple case of sample/selection, the most visible cases seem more frequent, thus more people focus on them, thus they get reported more. Think of the Russo-German girl in Berlin, where it turns out it was all just a false report (girl ran away from home and didn't want her parents angry when she came back, so claime…

That might be the case if you follow this topic superficially on a national or continental level. But if you actually look at every single newspaper article and police report, I think you can get a pretty neutral look. And to be honest, a bias in the other direction is more than obvious in many cases. In my city it's almost common practice by newspapers to censor information like "Arabic speaking" from police search reports. Let that sink in.

But I agree that you have to be careful, but both ways.

Re: Why I’m Investing $500M in Migrants

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>> Soros is directly responsible for massive increases in rape No, he isn't. Your entire post is inflammatory, and makes unsubstantiated and lurid claims that contribute nothing to a debate about a deep and difficult international problem.

He's saying that Soros directly supports policy that forces countries to accept migrants. Historically, alongside massive inflows of migrants there have been tremendous rises in violent crime and sexual assault in Northern European countries. As a prime example, take a look at related data for Sweden. www.nsfk.org/Portals/0/nordicstats_1950-2000.pdf

The paper you tried to link to didn't draw any connection between immigration and rape. The increased number of reported rapes in Sweden in the late nineties could be explained in a number of ways. One is that reporting increased thanks to increased awareness, another is legislative change, a third is revision of statistical routines. The two latter are mentioned in the paper.

Another thing that complicates a comparison:

"The Swedish data tend to lie at a higher level than that of the other countries (von Hofer, 2000). This is due to several factors: 1) in Sweden, a criminal offence is registered at the point that it is reported; 2) reported acts that later prove to be non-offences are not removed from the statistics; and, 3) all offences listed on the same police report or committed on the same occasion (or in a series) appear as separate offences in Swedish statistics. Thus, the number of offences counted in Sweden is more comprehensive than in the other Nordic countries." (p. 7)

Re: Why I’m Investing $500M in Migrants

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Soros is directly responsible for massive increases in rape in Germany and Sweden, as well as encouraging terrorism in the west with his compulsive promotion of immigration of unsuitable people. It's noticeable that he does not promote Syrian immigration to Israel, which is next door and has taken in zero refugees, and instead uses all of his resources to force Western countries to accept thousands of young unaccompa…

In order to address (at least partially) the "statistics says otherwise" response to your comment, here are some interesting links:

They are a result of duckduckgoing for " coverup immigrant sex assaults"

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/13/sex-as...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/120...

Re: Why I’m Investing $500M in Migrants

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While you are correct, most governments would undoubtably find much less productive uses for this money than helping either their own citizens or migrants and refugees, I would still prefer that choice be left up to society and not the whims of a person who's investments vehicles are most likely engaged in rampant tax avoidance or even worse, outright tax evasion.

Then change the tax laws. It's silly to suggest that they should pay more to the government than is legally required. Actual tax evasion comes with pretty serious penalties, so people with loads of money tend to be pretty prudent when ensuring what they are doing with their taxes is legal.

I agree that changing tax law would be the best remedy but I'm not entirely sure if tax "avoidance" on a massive scale doesn't have some ethical considerations. When the people engaging in said avoidance have an outsized influence on the way tax laws are set up and interpreted relative to working/middle class citizens, I can certainly understand why some might attach an ethical consideration to such schemes. Just to be clear, this is an issue that I myself still haven't come to a conclusion on, but at the very least I can see both sides of the argument. I don't necessarily think it's "silly", perhaps naive or ignorant on my part though.

With regards to your second point, I'm not sure if I agree with your statement that "people with loads of money tend to be pretty prudent when ensuring what they are doing with their taxes is legal". I mean, I'm sure this is the case for many people but it seems that illegal tax evasion is a pretty serious global problem so clearly there are plenty of people who's main concern seems to be not getting caught rather than following the law. I also don't have a tremendous amount of faith that the US or other governments can adequately tackle the problem of enforcement at this time. Again, I could very well be wrong on all counts.

Mr. Soros in particular is problematic to me since he has a prior conviction for insider trading and there have been allegations surrounding his Quantum funds for many years. The secrecy and opaqueness with which he runs his investment vehicles certainly seems somewhat antithetical to an "open society", I wonder if the irony is lost on Mr. Soros.

Re: Why I’m Investing $500M in Migrants

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a German who follows this thing very closely, I'm afraid this is not true. At least in my city, there is a vastly unproportional amount of sexual crimes committed by refugees. I know that's as uncomfortable as it gets. But as a pure fact it is true, independent of any political affiliation.

As a fellow German please remember that these cases are reported more than 'normal' rape cases. It's a simple case of sample/selection, the most visible cases seem more frequent, thus more people focus on them, thus they get reported more. Think of the Russo-German girl in Berlin, where it turns out it was all just a false report (girl ran away from home and didn't want her parents angry when she came back, so claime…

That's the backlash you have since media didn't report any problems with asylum seekers in the beginning. How long did it took the german state TV to report about the events on last sylvester? IIRC about 4 days in today's world with Facebook, Twitter, E-Mail and Smartphones... They even had to apologize for that.

BTW in Austria statistics show that non-citizens and asylum seekers are way over-represented in most criminal statistics, e.g. drug selling and violence.

Re: Why I’m Investing $500M in Migrants

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>> Soros is directly responsible for massive increases in rape No, he isn't. Your entire post is inflammatory, and makes unsubstantiated and lurid claims that contribute nothing to a debate about a deep and difficult international problem.

I've seen a Syrian immigrant attempt to sexually assault a women with my own eyes. You should stay in your ivory tower if you want to be able to maintain your delusions.

I work with a Syrian immigrant and he's quite nice and has never raped anyone and enjoys fishing and watching football. So, like, are we tied now or something?

Re: Why I’m Investing $500M in Migrants

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