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Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant

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Re: Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant

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Post by notahacker »

phicoh wrote: post #37
eli wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By what process could his guilt possibly be provable if he refuses to leave the embassy?

In most court systems, the defendant is not required to say anything. So (in theory) he can just be tried in absentia. He can even have lawyers representing him. At least to me (but I'm not a lawyer), the current system violates european human rights. Either he is charged with a crime, in which case the court case should have started years ago (and ended), or he is not officially charged with a crime, in which case h…

He is free to go wherever he wants until he is charged. It's just that if he goes outside the Ecuadorian embassy, he will be charged.

Re: Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant

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Post by assangesnowden »

You also have to understand the current political climate in Sweden. Assange's case is the ONLY rape that is disclosed/covered publicly. The 3000% increase in rapes due to immigration forced the government to ban the reporting on rapes to prevent racism. That also includes internet censorship, including foreign news sites.

Re: Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant

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Post by ramblenode »

Additional information from two days ago: Ecuador says it will allow Swedish investigators to question Assange at the embassy on October 17 [0].

If Sweden is serious about this case, they should accept Ecuador's invitation. Not doing so will further fuel questions about whether this case is a ruse.

[0] http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ecuador-sweden-assange-idU...

Re: Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant

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Post by boxkite »

Hitard wrote: post #50
boxkite wrote: post #35

Assange is a nutjob who grew up in Australia during the cold war as a teenage hacker thinking the world was going to end. His paranoia and sense of dread lead him to picking the biggest fight in the world possible. Potentially people have died because of what he did, but also the public has an amazing resource for understanding the larger powers at will in the world around them. If I have to get armchair about the ra…

Your response is full of defamatory conjecture and bizarre imagination. All we know is that two women have alleged that Assange failed to use a condom and/or intentionally tore a condom, and that the Swedish authorities have refused to pursue the investigation further by interviewing Assange in London. It's not very complicated.

My response speculates a hyperbolic worst case scenario for him that he is a violent rapist and I agree that his victims need to have their day in court.

I am also trying to illustrate that the thing he is a part of and may be using as a fortification against prosecution from that assault, is an important issue as well. Potentially effecting many more people.

I don't have an answer for this, nor a dog in the fight. It's just a very fucking hard situation to make blanket statements about.

Re: Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant

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Post by agd »

willvarfar wrote: post #8

Someone accused of rape should not be given refuge to wait it out. Its easy for armchair conspiracists to imagine this whole thing an elaborate ruse to extradite Assange to the US, but Assange was being questioned in Sweden before he fled from there and on bail in the UK prior to 'fleeing' to the Ecuadorian embassy. It seems a very roundabout way for the Americans to get at him. Occams Razor Assange is fleeing justic…

You're attacking strawmen. People are free to believe whether Sweden/Assange have ulterior motives, but either way the Swedish prosecutor has behaved improperly. For example see the UN report here: http://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?Ne...

Re: Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant

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Post by mtgx »

willvarfar wrote: post #48
onion2k wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're absolutely right, Assange should face his accusers in court. That's obvious. The problem is that Sweden and the UK are complicit in America's desire to seize Assange and put him in prison without even the possibility of a fair trial, and the first step in that process is his extradition to the US from either the UK or Sweden. That is what's interfering with the case and what Assange is fleeing from, not the ra…

What extradition order? The Swedes have asked the UK to extradite him to Sweden. The US hasn't asked either the UK nor Sweden to extradite him to the US. Is there even a court case against him in the US? The extradition to the US seems to be Assange's own narrative. Why didn't the US reach out to get him on the streets of London?

The US gov has charges against Assange lined-up. They're just waiting for the opportunity to bring him in.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/assange-why-is-doj-wikileaks-inve...

Re: Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant

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Post by dagw »

SEMW wrote: post #46
Hitard wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Swedish police have had the option to interview Assange in London for three years, all expenses paid. They have chosen instead to temporize and delay, and thereby leave the investigation without closure. Note that the Swedish police have conducted foreign interviews in the past, but for some reason seem intent on drawing out this particular process.

They've asked to, multiple times. The Ecuadorian embassy won't let them. " Last month, Ecuador’s prosecutor-general rejected a previous request from the Swedish prosecutor to question Assange in London. That office, in a letter to Swedish authorities, said it will interview Assange and asked for a list of questions the Swedish prosecutor wants the Ecuadorian prosecutor to ask the Wikileaks founder. " ( http://www.the…

It seems they've finally come to an agreement that looks acceptable to both Ecuadorian and Swedish courts. Provisionally the date has been set for Oct 17th.

Re: Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant

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Post by DasIch »

Arnt wrote: post #49
willvarfar wrote: post #8

Someone accused of rape should not be given refuge to wait it out. Its easy for armchair conspiracists to imagine this whole thing an elaborate ruse to extradite Assange to the US, but Assange was being questioned in Sweden before he fled from there and on bail in the UK prior to 'fleeing' to the Ecuadorian embassy. It seems a very roundabout way for the Americans to get at him. Occams Razor Assange is fleeing justic…

Are you saying that rape should not have any statute of limitations, that extradition should work worldwide and unconditionally, both, or neither?

It is possible to be in favour or at least not opposed to a statute of limitations and think that this statute shouldn't apply in this case.

Re: Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant

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Post by ntlve »

assangesnowden wrote: post #52

You also have to understand the current political climate in Sweden. Assange's case is the ONLY rape that is disclosed/covered publicly. The 3000% increase in rapes due to immigration forced the government to ban the reporting on rapes to prevent racism. That also includes internet censorship, including foreign news sites.

Do you have a source for that number?

Re: Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant

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Post by eli »

agd wrote: post #55
willvarfar wrote: post #8

Someone accused of rape should not be given refuge to wait it out. Its easy for armchair conspiracists to imagine this whole thing an elaborate ruse to extradite Assange to the US, but Assange was being questioned in Sweden before he fled from there and on bail in the UK prior to 'fleeing' to the Ecuadorian embassy. It seems a very roundabout way for the Americans to get at him. Occams Razor Assange is fleeing justic…

You're attacking strawmen. People are free to believe whether Sweden/Assange have ulterior motives, but either way the Swedish prosecutor has behaved improperly. For example see the UN report here: http://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?Ne...

It's a bit of a stretch to claim Sweden is illegally detaining him in the embassy by virtue of demanding he leave the embassy.
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