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Comma.ai will ship a $999 autonomous driving add-on by the end of this year

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Re: Comma.ai will ship a $999 autonomous driving add-on by the end of this year

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Post by mikeash »

primitivesuave wrote: post #12

I would love nothing more than for Bay Area congestion to be solved by self-driving cars, but I take this announcement with a grain of salt because it lacks any mention of liabilities and regulatory hurdles. Unless the management can answer the difficult questions, unforeseen difficulties likely await anyone who installs this device in their car. Insurance companies may refuse to cover accidents caused by the device,…

It's a driver assistance feature, meant to be roughly on par with Tesla's Autopilot. There are no regulatory hurdles to clear here, as the tens of thousands of Teslas on the road can attest. Certainly there are huge regulatory and liability issues to address before full autonomy, but that's not what this is about.

Re: Comma.ai will ship a $999 autonomous driving add-on by the end of this year

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Post by mikeash »

Kenji wrote: post #2

The company’s Autopilot system is in active use, and in fact just got an update this past weekend that should vastly improve its performance and decrease the possibility that the car doesn’t brake when it should. I am not gonna lie - that does not give me a lot of confidence in this system. "Oh, and by the way, it sometimes doesn't brake when it should." That quickly equals injury or even death with a car. You do not…

How many crashes can be summed up as "the driver didn't break when they should"? The system doesn't have to be perfect, it just has to be better than the human. And actually, it doesn't even have to be better than the human: only the combination of the system and the human needs to be better than just the human alone.

Re: Comma.ai will ship a $999 autonomous driving add-on by the end of this year

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Post by jsmthrowaway »

Fricken wrote: post #45
mortenjorck wrote: post #8

Mountain View to San Francisco Is this product actually just limited to driving 280 / 101? If so, that's a really interesting way to launch a minimum viable product in the self-driving space: Obviously you can't launch with anything incomplete in terms of safety, but you can launch with a highly restricted supported geography.

He's saying that he's done that drive without touching the wheel. It will work in other places, but he emphasizes that you still have to pay attention, as with autopilot. He gives the full talk here: https://techcrunch.com/video/george-geohot-hotz-presents-the... Yes, he's a punk and seemingly on drugs, but surprisingly, Hotz is not a bullshitter as far as I can tell.

> Yes, he's a punk and seemingly on drugs

What makes you say this?

Re: Comma.ai will ship a $999 autonomous driving add-on by the end of this year

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Post by [deleted] »

Fricken wrote: post #45
mortenjorck wrote: post #8

Mountain View to San Francisco Is this product actually just limited to driving 280 / 101? If so, that's a really interesting way to launch a minimum viable product in the self-driving space: Obviously you can't launch with anything incomplete in terms of safety, but you can launch with a highly restricted supported geography.

He's saying that he's done that drive without touching the wheel. It will work in other places, but he emphasizes that you still have to pay attention, as with autopilot. He gives the full talk here: https://techcrunch.com/video/george-geohot-hotz-presents-the... Yes, he's a punk and seemingly on drugs, but surprisingly, Hotz is not a bullshitter as far as I can tell.

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Re: Comma.ai will ship a $999 autonomous driving add-on by the end of this year

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Fricken wrote: post #45
mortenjorck wrote: post #8

Mountain View to San Francisco Is this product actually just limited to driving 280 / 101? If so, that's a really interesting way to launch a minimum viable product in the self-driving space: Obviously you can't launch with anything incomplete in terms of safety, but you can launch with a highly restricted supported geography.

He's saying that he's done that drive without touching the wheel. It will work in other places, but he emphasizes that you still have to pay attention, as with autopilot. He gives the full talk here: https://techcrunch.com/video/george-geohot-hotz-presents-the... Yes, he's a punk and seemingly on drugs, but surprisingly, Hotz is not a bullshitter as far as I can tell.

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Re: Comma.ai will ship a $999 autonomous driving add-on by the end of this year

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Fricken wrote: post #45
mortenjorck wrote: post #8

Mountain View to San Francisco Is this product actually just limited to driving 280 / 101? If so, that's a really interesting way to launch a minimum viable product in the self-driving space: Obviously you can't launch with anything incomplete in terms of safety, but you can launch with a highly restricted supported geography.

He's saying that he's done that drive without touching the wheel. It will work in other places, but he emphasizes that you still have to pay attention, as with autopilot. He gives the full talk here: https://techcrunch.com/video/george-geohot-hotz-presents-the... Yes, he's a punk and seemingly on drugs, but surprisingly, Hotz is not a bullshitter as far as I can tell.

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Re: Comma.ai will ship a $999 autonomous driving add-on by the end of this year

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Post by Fricken »

jsmthrowaway wrote: post #53
Fricken wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's saying that he's done that drive without touching the wheel. It will work in other places, but he emphasizes that you still have to pay attention, as with autopilot. He gives the full talk here: https://techcrunch.com/video/george-geohot-hotz-presents-the... Yes, he's a punk and seemingly on drugs, but surprisingly, Hotz is not a bullshitter as far as I can tell.

> Yes, he's a punk and seemingly on drugs What makes you say this?

I guess you didn't watch the video. He goes out of his way to trash talk every big player in the industry. It's entertaining, informative, and cringeworthy.

I like George Hotz, but I was attempting to preempt anyone who might dismiss his substance because they don't like his style.

Re: Comma.ai will ship a $999 autonomous driving add-on by the end of this year

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Post by jmole »

mortenjorck wrote: post #8

Mountain View to San Francisco Is this product actually just limited to driving 280 / 101? If so, that's a really interesting way to launch a minimum viable product in the self-driving space: Obviously you can't launch with anything incomplete in terms of safety, but you can launch with a highly restricted supported geography.

The only reason they can "launch" this is because the driver will still be held responsible for the actions of the car, no matter what their system does or doesn't do.

I.e, I can install a radar detector, but no way will I be able to sue the manufacturer if I get a ticket.

This isn't just a minimum viable product, it's a minimum liability product.

Re: Comma.ai will ship a $999 autonomous driving add-on by the end of this year

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Post by trevyn »

jsmthrowaway wrote: post #53
Fricken wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's saying that he's done that drive without touching the wheel. It will work in other places, but he emphasizes that you still have to pay attention, as with autopilot. He gives the full talk here: https://techcrunch.com/video/george-geohot-hotz-presents-the... Yes, he's a punk and seemingly on drugs, but surprisingly, Hotz is not a bullshitter as far as I can tell.

> Yes, he's a punk and seemingly on drugs What makes you say this?

Well, there's this: http://abovethelaw.com/2012/03/famed-hacker-arrested-for-pot...

Re: Comma.ai will ship a $999 autonomous driving add-on by the end of this year

#60

Post by mdonahoe »

joering2 wrote: post #42

Wow, its incredible how many people bash this startup here, incredible to see it from this community here. I mean what they have done to you? It's not like they gonna sell tickets to Hell or scam someone, so what's the big deal with more entrepreneurship in the town?? Be nice to your fellow entrepreneurship -- you might end up working for them one day.

You may think differently when someone you know or care about is killed by an AI controlled vehicle.

Apparent reckless use of technology frightens people, regardless of the actual risk.

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