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As a side note I've found that negotiation room in EU is so tiny if not negligible. Maybe it is just me but I suspect it's a mix between a different culture and a - generally - more unionized and segmented job market. Wondering if you guys have experienced the same.
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Is the median salary for the position a valid reason for an increase? For example 93000 is the median for software engineers in US according to the government.
I wouldn't specify 'median' exactly. That sounds too technical - it doesn't have the same innocence and emotional appeal. I'd mention what other local companies are hiring for the same position at, and mention being surprised they aren't offering at least that. Or mention having friends that got hired for the same position at a salary that's 10k more than you're being offered. If you do it smoothly, I think the worst…
Such a silly article; not a great way to start a relationship with your new colleagues.
No, they are your bosses. They might be colleagues, but that is secondary.
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He explains himself here: http://haseebq.com/about/ If you didn't see his previous posts he's clearly a pretty skilled self-teacher - negotiated up to 220K offers at Google and Airbnb despite going to a bootcamp.
>he's clearly a pretty skilled self-teacher I think it's pronounced "self-promoter."
Here's why I'm concerned:
1. The grandparent links to two articles as "sources." One's a guest blog by the subject. The other's a self-quote of the subject extracted from a full interview, which is linked but both the site and the link are dead. And the grandparent's only comments on the account are in this thread, supplying the "sources." Here's a 2013 non-HN thread accusing him of smurfing accounts for publicity [0].
2. His publicity and claims seem intentionally difficult to prove.[1] (Note: another low-credibility source.)
3. His LinkedIn profile lists 99th percentile standardized test scores (LSAT and GRE). Normally, this isn't notable, but my "BS" pattern-matching is flagging this within the context of #1 and #2.
[0] http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip-spons...
[1] http://www.thepokerpractice.com/poker/haseeb-ashton-griffin-...
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Can you elaborate a bit please? Does this mean not meeting half way between your offer and theirs? And then what?
Good questions. His techniques rely on building a relationship, empathy, and many other techniques. If you enter the process with a split the difference mentality, you invariably leave a lot of value on the table. It's late where I am, I'd just go read the book if you want to know more.
I highly recommend reading Never Split the Difference, by Chris Voss. The book offers a different take to negotiation, written by a former FBI negotiator. In his words, he could never split the difference in a hostage negotiation. When you enter the process understanding this, you do things differently.
Can you elaborate a bit please? Does this mean not meeting half way between your offer and theirs? And then what?
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Really sad to know he didn't get a good offer in Airbnb and you both think it's a good offer. But this looks totally like a new grad offer. I have my friends who just got offers in Airbnb who are getting paid 180k in salary and ~600K in stocks which is basically $330k/year. My other friend who is senior engineer with 5 year experience is compensated around 500k/year. I have similar experience and i recently did a job…
O.o These numbers are surprisingly high, to the point of almost being unbelievable. And I go around telling my friends that software engineers can make 120k right out of college, and I'M getting laughed at by my friends at how apparently unbelievable ridiculously high this is. I've got 3 years experience and I'm making not much more than that working at a midsized startup (I went to a top tech school and everything!)…
Bingo! He's joking.
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Good questions. His techniques rely on building a relationship, empathy, and many other techniques. If you enter the process with a split the difference mentality, you invariably leave a lot of value on the table. It's late where I am, I'd just go read the book if you want to know more.
Companies do not work on empathy, but on maximum reward for acceptable risk and investment.
As a side note I've found that negotiation room in EU is so tiny if not negligible. Maybe it is just me but I suspect it's a mix between a different culture and a - generally - more unionized and segmented job market. Wondering if you guys have experienced the same.
In the UK there are unions (Prospect and the FDA) that specialize in the M&P area and do have highly paid members I know an Ex CTO at Motorola was a member and the CEO of Hull communications was an activist in his early career.
As a side note I've found that negotiation room in EU is so tiny if not negligible. Maybe it is just me but I suspect it's a mix between a different culture and a - generally - more unionized and segmented job market. Wondering if you guys have experienced the same.
EU is not homogeneous. Different areas work differently. Which part do you have experience of?