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'Dirty Jobs' Mike Rowe Meets the Koch Brothers

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Re: 'Dirty Jobs' Mike Rowe Meets the Koch Brothers

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Post by menssen »

tptacek wrote: post #9

This is a great little piece, and I'm glad I saw it, and I wouldn't have seen it at all had it not been at the top of HN (despite the fact that most of what Mike Rowe writes somehow lands in my Fb feed), and I even agree with I think something like 98% of what it says. But it still feels like an almost textbook example of what shouldn't be on the front page of HN. Something Mike Rowe writes about the importance of th…

Maybe this should be an "Ask HN" post, but.

This post appears to have disappeared from the front page (and the several following pages), despite its far higher upvote/recency combination than most other front page stories.

Is there a way to see some kind of record of the moderation decision, or flagging algorithm, that caused this to happen?

Re: 'Dirty Jobs' Mike Rowe Meets the Koch Brothers

#52

Post by Mz »

menssen wrote: post #51
tptacek wrote: post #9

This is a great little piece, and I'm glad I saw it, and I wouldn't have seen it at all had it not been at the top of HN (despite the fact that most of what Mike Rowe writes somehow lands in my Fb feed), and I even agree with I think something like 98% of what it says. But it still feels like an almost textbook example of what shouldn't be on the front page of HN. Something Mike Rowe writes about the importance of th…

Maybe this should be an "Ask HN" post, but. This post appears to have disappeared from the front page (and the several following pages), despite its far higher upvote/recency combination than most other front page stories. Is there a way to see some kind of record of the moderation decision, or flagging algorithm, that caused this to happen?

Semi-informed guess: It was likely tagged by some moderator either for being controversial or insubstantive or both.

Re: 'Dirty Jobs' Mike Rowe Meets the Koch Brothers

#53

Post by jolux »

orangecat wrote: post #46
addicted wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The American conservative viewpoint on the environment is factually wrong. This is not an opinion. To the extent society had constructed objective ways to determine facts, the existence of human driven global warming is as much of a fact as you can get. Unfortunately, in American politics, conservatives often fall afoul of reality. And its not a coincidence. The conservative side is the one actively discrediting scie…

The American conservative viewpoint on the environment is factually wrong. "The environment" is a large topic. The liberal viewpoints on nuclear power and GMOs are also factually wrong, and are arguably resulting in even more harm.

Nuclear power used to make sense before solar was as cheap as it is now and considering that it's still getting cheaper it doesn't make a lot of sense. See: http://crookedtimber.org/2016/07/20/nuclear-math-doesnt-add-...

Re: 'Dirty Jobs' Mike Rowe Meets the Koch Brothers

#54

Post by Tinyyy »

acjohnson55 wrote: post #49
cderwin wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And people who (from a legal perspective) chose to break the law. Why is it morally acceptable to hold criminals in prison but not to employ them (at will, from what I understand) for little compensation during that imprisonment? Is there such a big difference between imprisonment with no employment and imprisonment with under-employment?

Why shouldn't prisoners get full compensation for their labor?

What does full compensation mean? The public market rate? Or the prison market rate because the risks and negative aspects of hiring prisoners mean that the demand for prisoners is low?

Re: 'Dirty Jobs' Mike Rowe Meets the Koch Brothers

#55

Post by rajeck »

menssen wrote: post #51
tptacek wrote: post #9

This is a great little piece, and I'm glad I saw it, and I wouldn't have seen it at all had it not been at the top of HN (despite the fact that most of what Mike Rowe writes somehow lands in my Fb feed), and I even agree with I think something like 98% of what it says. But it still feels like an almost textbook example of what shouldn't be on the front page of HN. Something Mike Rowe writes about the importance of th…

Maybe this should be an "Ask HN" post, but. This post appears to have disappeared from the front page (and the several following pages), despite its far higher upvote/recency combination than most other front page stories. Is there a way to see some kind of record of the moderation decision, or flagging algorithm, that caused this to happen?

Shame, because I think Mike Rowe is a true hacker - and this is one of his more interesting hacks.

Ah well!

Re: 'Dirty Jobs' Mike Rowe Meets the Koch Brothers

#56

Post by SCAQTony »

My mother was a closet racist but I loved her very dearly. She donated to many charities, set up fund raisers for drug rehab centers and always picked up the check no matter how many people were at the table. I separated her bad judgement knowing damn well it was wrong and illogical and appreciated the good; I still continued to love her despite some ugly thoughts she had.

I like Gaugin's paintings even though he was a syphilic pedophile who left his family so he could have sex with teens in the south pacific... I separate the man from the work because it is good work. I would have had him put in jail if I could too.

http://hyperallergic.com/111730/posthumous-prognosis-for-sup...

Hugo Boss makes some really nice underwear and mens shirts but when Hugo Boss was alive he designed all the NAZI and SS uniforms. The original Hugo Boss is dead and is one suppose to "never forget" and punish those that came after him?

http://www.nytimes.com/1997/08/15/business/hugo-boss-acknowl...

T.S. Elliot was anti semitic but he was pen pals with Groucho Marx (a jew) and had a photo of Groucho on his wall. Being friends with Groucho actually softened his points of view because Groucho stayed engaged.

http://www.openculture.com/2014/02/groucho-marx-and-t-s-elio...

Personality has many modules. In some areas within our personalities there is a bunch of lice. However, you support what you agree with and you aggressively question the bad.

Re: 'Dirty Jobs' Mike Rowe Meets the Koch Brothers

#57

Post by SCAQTony »

My mother was a closet racist but I loved her very dearly. She donated to many charities, set up fund raisers for drug rehab centers and always picked up the check no matter how many people were at the table. I separated her bad judgement knowing damn well it was wrong and illogical and appreciated the good; I still continued to love her despite some ugly thoughts she had.

I like Gaugin's paintings even though he was a syphilic pedophile who left his family so he could have sex with teens in the south pacific... I separate the man from the work because it is good work. I would have had him put in jail if I could too.

http://hyperallergic.com/111730/posthumous-prognosis-for-sup...

Hugo Boss makes some really nice underwear and mens shirts but when Hugo Boss was alive he designed all the NAZI and SS uniforms. The original Hugo Boss is dead and is one suppose to "never forget" and punish those that came after him?

http://www.nytimes.com/1997/08/15/business/hugo-boss-acknowl...

T.S. Elliot was anti semitic but he was pen pals with Groucho Marx (a jew) and had a photo of Groucho on his wall. Being friends with Groucho actually softened his points of view because Groucho stayed engaged.

http://www.openculture.com/2014/02/groucho-marx-and-t-s-elio...

Personality has many modules. In some areas within our personalities there is a bunch of lice. However, you support what you agree with and you aggressively question the bad.

Re: 'Dirty Jobs' Mike Rowe Meets the Koch Brothers

#58

Post by cthulha »

daeken wrote: post #3

I've gained a massive, massive respect for Mike Rowe over the past 5-10 years. He works to make the world a better place through education and understanding, and this post is a perfect example of this. Kudos to him for speaking out and standing his ground, rather than crumbling to nonsensical public pressure.

I don't think the public pressure is nonsensical: Koch may be doing the right thing in some areas and not others. Why does it have to be so black-and-white? Can't people raise issues that they genuinely believe to be bad for the country they live in?

Re: 'Dirty Jobs' Mike Rowe Meets the Koch Brothers

#59

Post by eatplayrove »

SCAQTony wrote: post #56

My mother was a closet racist but I loved her very dearly. She donated to many charities, set up fund raisers for drug rehab centers and always picked up the check no matter how many people were at the table. I separated her bad judgement knowing damn well it was wrong and illogical and appreciated the good; I still continued to love her despite some ugly thoughts she had. I like Gaugin's paintings even though he was…

That's not how it works though.

There is no harm in you liking Gaugin's paintings now, because he is dead, and by liking a painting, you don't enable his pedophilia.

I will not judge Koch, but if you view him in a bad light, you have every right to question Rowe, because Rowe and Koch enable each other.

Re: 'Dirty Jobs' Mike Rowe Meets the Koch Brothers

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Post by euroclydon »

jacobolus wrote: post #31
aaronbrethorst wrote: post #2

Meanwhile the Kochs have likely given around seven figures to ALEC[1], which has pushed aggressively for enhancing the laws[2] that Charles Koch is now, apparently, deeply opposed to. Maybe it's a turn of heart, but I'm rather skeptical. [1] https://www.thenation.com/article/alec-exposed-koch-connecti... [2] https://www.thenation.com/article/hidden-history-alec-and-pr...

Jane Mayer fills in the context about the Kochs’ rebranding: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/01/25/new-koch

Great article. Thank you. It says the Kochs are using criminal justice reform to gut corporate executive's criminal liability for environmental violations.
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