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Re: Brave Browser Adds Bitcoin Payments

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Post by Scirra_Tom »

Donation buttons on websites are no where near as prolific as they used to be 15 years ago (Paypal donate buttons). I can't help but feel this is just because people don't want to donate - they'd rather keep their money. This is not a friction problem.

This feels like Changetip v2 which is in my opinion not a viable business model. Their target market is people who want to donate widely and not specifically. This is a user group I don't think exists, the ones who want to donate are a subset of the websites most dedicated users.

In my opinion this is an unsustainable business model.

Re: Brave Browser Adds Bitcoin Payments

#52

Post by youdontknowtho »

espadrine wrote: post #5
anonymousDan wrote: post #4

Can someone elaborate on where the Brave wallet is stored? Is it stored on the clients device or on Brave's servers somewhere?

I feel like articles about the Brave model tend to misleadingly represent the situation. Brave has servers that replace websites' ads on-the-fly. They receive money from advertizers for doing that. As a result, the wallet is on Brave's servers. But publishers don't get paid. The money is stuck on Brave's servers until publishers come to an agreement with Brave, which the huge majority of websites have not. In fact, s…

I can see why Brave would think that's a good idea...but yeah, that's almost tailor made to draw legal action and lose.

Why would they think that advertising networks would let them off the hook for replacing their ads. That's crazy.

Re: Brave Browser Adds Bitcoin Payments

#54

Post by Sylos »

witty_username wrote: post #33
mike-cardwell wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want to control the user agent, I just want to programatically announce that I am not talking part in the Brave micro-tip system, so that no end-user funds are put in a wallet for me which will never be withdrawn. Looking into this further, they would eventually email me after there are $10 worth of funds queued up for me, and then after 30 days of me ignoring them, those funds would be spread out amongst oth…

> However, until that wallet has at least $10 in it, Brave is just sitting on top of free money. I don't want that. One reason could be they don't want to bug website owners about small amounts.

Doesn't justify the 30 day limit, though. That there needs to be some limit is clear, but I don't see a justification for it being only 30 days.

Re: Brave Browser Adds Bitcoin Payments

#55

Post by etchalon »

Who exactly would use this product?

You'd have to be someone who doesn't mind ads, but doesn't like bad ones, while also being someone who is willing to pay for content so you do not see ads.

More to the point, in what possible universe is there a moral justification for stripping a publisher of the advertising they've selected, only to replace it with your own, and then dictating to the publisher what percentage of that revenue they deserve?

If you care about users, just strip out ads. Don't replace them.

If you care about publisher's getting paid, just establish a mechanism that makes it easy for people to stick a META tag in their header which shows a Bitcoin address for payment remittance.

Publisher's can then implement a mechanism to verify whether individual users have paid.

If your project needs to make a profit, either charge for the browser or the service which intelligently strips out ads, the way Tivo charges for their "Guide" feature.

This is a convoluted business model which helps literally no one other than Brave.

Re: Brave Browser Adds Bitcoin Payments

#57

Post by st3v3r »

hackuser wrote: post #42

To the critics: The problem is, how to pay for content while maintaining user control over their privacy? Micropayments seem like a solution, and Brave has found an economical way to implement them. How would you change Brave and, * Still solve the confidentiality problem * Be realistically economical: Everyone gets paid * Earn a profit (not a sin and a good way to make the project sustainable) * Have a technical and…

"* Earn a profit (not a sin and a good way to make the project sustainable)"

It is a sin if you're doing it by replacing a publisher's advertising with your own.

Re: Brave Browser Adds Bitcoin Payments

#58

Post by StavrosK »

etchalon wrote: post #55

Who exactly would use this product? You'd have to be someone who doesn't mind ads, but doesn't like bad ones, while also being someone who is willing to pay for content so you do not see ads. More to the point, in what possible universe is there a moral justification for stripping a publisher of the advertising they've selected, only to replace it with your own, and then dictating to the publisher what percentage of…

> establish a mechanism that makes it easy for people to stick a META tag in their header which shows a Bitcoin address for payment remittance

Hmm, that's an interesting idea. Has any such tag been standardized or proposed?

Re: Brave Browser Adds Bitcoin Payments

#59

Post by st3v3r »

witty_username wrote: post #33
mike-cardwell wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want to control the user agent, I just want to programatically announce that I am not talking part in the Brave micro-tip system, so that no end-user funds are put in a wallet for me which will never be withdrawn. Looking into this further, they would eventually email me after there are $10 worth of funds queued up for me, and then after 30 days of me ignoring them, those funds would be spread out amongst oth…

> However, until that wallet has at least $10 in it, Brave is just sitting on top of free money. I don't want that. One reason could be they don't want to bug website owners about small amounts.

So let the website owner supply a wallet address so Brave doesn't have to hold onto the money?

Re: Brave Browser Adds Bitcoin Payments

#60

Post by etchalon »

etchalon wrote: post #55

Who exactly would use this product? You'd have to be someone who doesn't mind ads, but doesn't like bad ones, while also being someone who is willing to pay for content so you do not see ads. More to the point, in what possible universe is there a moral justification for stripping a publisher of the advertising they've selected, only to replace it with your own, and then dictating to the publisher what percentage of…

And hey, if you want to make more money, offer a service which makes payment verification/notification really easy to integrate for publishers.
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