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How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf]

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Re: How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf]

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Look up Dr. Lustig's talks and articles for more in depth explanations on the effects of sugar on physiology.

The known fraud? Sure, look him up.

Would you care to elaborate on that? Googling "dr lustig fraud" brings up mostly what looks like fabricated "debunking" articles from things like "The Scam Report".

Re: How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf]

#52

I despise the corn lobby more. They ensure the high tariffs on imported sugar in order to protect the corn prices to produce corn syrup instead of using raw sugar. Only the US has soft drinks made with HFCS simply because of the tariff on imported sugar.

All that does is make it cheaper.

Re: How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf]

#53

This also shows the true evil of the TTP and TTIP trade deals: corporations can sue any government if their laws affect the corporation's profits. Pure evil. The article has the example of Mexico being sued for their protective laws.

Mexico was sued because they effectively installed a tariff, not just because the law affected the profits of multinationals. They had agreed not to install such tariffs.

The impacts of trade are complex and I don't think we need to run headlong towards laws favoring large corporations, but it's a little over the top to say that it is obvious evil to agree to treat foreign companies equally to native companies. In many situations, trade will benefit everyone. It's not evil to enable and encourage that trade.

Re: How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf]

#54

Look up Dr. Lustig's talks and articles for more in depth explanations on the effects of sugar on physiology.

The known fraud? Sure, look him up.

Enlighten me. Otherwise I'll file this under "baseless ad hominem", as I found him rather instructive till now.

Re: How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf]

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I were trying to run a small bakery or confectionary under all the terms (and more, presumably) of your last paragraph, I'd have a hard time believing you took my individual liberty (or that of my customers) very seriously.

Again, something that is solvable with smart regulation. E.g. some rules apply only for businesses with more than $100k turnover, or $1M or whatever. Alternatively, your customers need to sign a statement that they will pay out of pocket for any medical costs resulting from eating your sugar (similar to "sophisticated investors" and hedge funds). But then again, as I said above, I see business as a privilege, not a r…

>a privilege, not a right

One of the most statist phrases ever.

Re: How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf]

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

no, but the concept of marketing still makes sense. We know that corporations devote a lot of resources in marketing. Is it ok to "brainwash" people into buying stuff that harm them?

My impression is that most forms of libertarianism would support the ability to take legal action against firms for dishonest marketing.

In my opinion, this is basically every commercial or advertising I've ever seen. Emotional arguments damage my ability to make good decisions.

Unfortunately, I can't sue.

Re: How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf]

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>And Candida itself has quickly evolved to affect brain chemistry to induce people to eat more sugar. There is no evidence to support this sort of chemtrail level conspiracy theory nonsense.

There has been a lot written on the subject. Some examples: http://bodyecology.com/articles/goodbye-sugar-cravings-what-... http://www.mindbodygreen.com/0-8376/10-signs-you-have-candid... http://www.thecandidadiet.com/why-does-candida-need-sugar/ http://www.janethull.com/newsletter/1208/a_love_story_candid... http://www.olsonnd.com/sugar-and-candida/ I believe that people should keep track of what food they eat and d…

There's a lot written on astrology as well. Volume doesn't mean it's true.

I wasn't able to find anything in PubMed on the causal connection as you describe, though I did find papers like http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3684604/ on "Archaea and Fungi of the Human Gut Microbiome: Correlations with Diet and Bacterial Residents" which describes the correlation.

> Methanobrevibacter and Candida were positively associated with diets high in carbohydrates, but negatively with diets high in amino acids, protein, and fatty acids. A previous study emphasized that bacterial population structure was associated primarily with long-term diet, but high Candida abundance was most strongly associated with the recent consumption of carbohydrates. Methobrevibacter abundance was associated with both long term and recent consumption of carbohydrates.

How do you know it's Candida and not Methanobrevibacter?

Re: How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf]

#58
About 6 weeks ago I stopped ingesting sugar, to the extent that is practically possible. No candy & cakes, no sweet drinks and very diligent reading of labels on the non-obvious stuff. I do eat fruit but not processed into juice.

Dropped 4 kg, everything tastes better, no energy drop at 4pm and the cravings disappeared within first two days. Friends report similar results.

This was also much easier than my previous attempts at "cutting down" sugar.

Re: How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf]

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post #27

This also shows the true evil of the TTP and TTIP trade deals: corporations can sue any government if their laws affect the corporation's profits. Pure evil. The article has the example of Mexico being sued for their protective laws.

It's not just evil, I presume in the future there will be civil wars because of that - people who'll have enough vs. corporations.

Unfortunately with AI warfare we might soon be at the point where the are no human soldiers who could rebel and take side of the people.

Re: How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf]

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

no, but the concept of marketing still makes sense. We know that corporations devote a lot of resources in marketing. Is it ok to "brainwash" people into buying stuff that harm them?

My impression is that most forms of libertarianism would support the ability to take legal action against firms for dishonest marketing.

What is dishonest marketing? for instance, using various tricks to make people smoke cigarettes or drink coke (that is bad for them), is that dishonest?
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