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Re: Twitter's Fucked

#52
I actually think none of these things are Twitter's biggest problems and that while they are big issues Twitter could gradually, painstakingly fix them through thoughtful policies coupled with careful engineering. Their biggest problem is Facebook rapidly building Twitter's future inside Facebook.

What I mean is this: I agree with Jack's vision of Twitter being a "window to the world", a place where you can instantly get a sense of what your compatriots are thinking and how they are reacting to news. They have two features which accomplish this pretty well: hashtags and live video. When crazy things are happening Twitter is one of the best ways to "live" the event through those two features. Jack appears to have taken this to heart and recently said that Twitter's future will heavily involve breaking news. This also addresses one of the big complaints in this post - you can't have a thoughtful debate in 140 characters. But you can react! And you can absorb little pieces of information and media.

Unfortunately for Twitter, Facebook has also seen the writing and the wall and has built superior versions of hashtags and live video directly into their experience. I have seen a noticeable improvement in the specificity and granularity of their trending topics lately and we've all seen over the past couple weeks how effective and raw (maybe too raw) their live video is.

So I don't think Twitter is fucked - I think their future still, after all these laggard years, has a lot of potential. The problem is they have to stare down an 800,000 pound blue and white gorilla to win.

Re: Twitter's Fucked

#53
How about a rating system for people? And each rating could also be biased by the rating of the person giving the rating. Kind of like pagerank for people. Then the posts of those who have the most positive ratings float to the top of the stream.

Sure trolls will support other trolls but I'm pretty convinced most people are good people and should easily outnumber and be able to take down gangs of trolls online.

This way the community self moderates and is able to weed out the undesirables and assholes on the platform all by themself, no intervention required.

The people you rated highly could also float to the top of your stream so if you enjoy the trash talking of milo or similar characters you can still see them without them poisoning the well for everyone else.

Re: Twitter's Fucked

#54
post #46

I wonder why twitter will not use Machine Learning to remove terrorism propaganda from their social network? I mean you can train neural networks to recognize terrorism spreading accounts and tweets. It's not black magic, NLP to get intent + classification of known/blocked terrorist accounts and just train. Then show message "Sorry but this tweet looks like abusing our rules, please wait until our staff will check it…

The likely end result of that is just coded communication.

As a similar example, Facebook's "no gun sales" policy now has people selling a pair of socks for $650 using a picture that just happens to have a gun in the background. (Examples: https://twitter.com/ecined/status/756940120826097664 https://twitter.com/monteiro/status/756639900796088320)

Re: Twitter's Fucked

#55
post #12

I am probably in a very small minority, but I have never seen the point of Twitter. It has almost limitless potential to destroy your life by taking something out of context and copying it to millions. I shudder to think of the number of times I have made a tasteless throwaway comment or colourful joke that, if taken out of context, would have had dire consequences. It has almost limitless potential to take up all yo…

Neither have I. I comment here, sometimes go to Reddit for some subreddits. Programming language specific mail lists and so on. I send email to people I want to talk directly.

There was no time in the last decade were I felt "Gee, I wish I could put this in a 140 charter blurb and broadcast it to the world".

There are obviously millions who do do that, and that's fine. I just personally don't understand that drive. I don't even go there to consume stuff.

Very few times I remember looking there and seeing "Oh I have to keep coming back for more". Maybe I'd see an announcement of a release of my favorite tool or platform, but I am already subscribed to their mailing list. And can actually have meaningful discussions there as well.

Re: Twitter's Fucked

#56
While I agree with most of the author's points, I'm not convinced at how possible it would be to have a product that "adopts the market-orientation and ad hoc network of Twitter" in such a way that "harassment would be impossible." While deep learning and similar technologies can certainly make it much more difficult to harass someone, you can't rely on the content of someones message[0] nor can you rely on the network status of an individual, as spam accounts won't be readily differentiable from new accounts, and blocking new accounts from contacting people defeats the "ad hoc network" requirement.

[0]: People are great at communicating meaning non-literally (see: definition of literally) and one of the ways that manifests itself is through slang, which is going to break anything but a so-close-it-might-as-well-be-AI system. If you ban a word or phrase, it's meaning will be communicated through another word or phrase. The insulting adversary has an advantage here, as they can use other real words and phrases that would otherwise be innocuous to insult you, it would be especially advantageous to use popular/common words/phrases as replacements (see: euphemisms).

It's certainly possible to train a system in hindsight, but I highly doubt you could do so in real-time and any delay in reacting to new slang means that's when antagonists will strike. Hell, you could even do asynchronously defined insults, send many messages containing various words phrases and then announce, shortly after their delivery, what they mean (heh...).

Re: Twitter's Fucked

#57

Does Twitter have to be Facebook to not be "fucked"? I don't understand these statements that "Twitter is fucked". Twitter could improve filtering and safety but if it never changed I'd probably still get my news from it for the rest of my life. I just can't think of a better app for my use cases. I often like Twitter Moments, like something funny or some pop culture stuff I wouldn't have picked up on. Every time the…

The main reason Twitter is screwed, isn't that they don't have a product people like. So what if Pokemon Go has more daily users? It's not really the same type of product.

Twitter can be successful, at the same type that Pokemon, Facebook and other are successful. These companies aren't mutually exclusive.

The reason Twitter is screwed is because they created a popular product and absolutely no idea on to make money on it. Just freaking charge the users $10 per year after the first year and $250 for business accounts and be done with it. If people truly love Twitter, as much as they claim, it shouldn't be a problem.

Re: Twitter's Fucked

#58
post #46

I wonder why twitter will not use Machine Learning to remove terrorism propaganda from their social network? I mean you can train neural networks to recognize terrorism spreading accounts and tweets. It's not black magic, NLP to get intent + classification of known/blocked terrorist accounts and just train. Then show message "Sorry but this tweet looks like abusing our rules, please wait until our staff will check it…

I'm pretty sure they allow it because the government asked them to. It can provide useful intelligence. I doubt detecting and removing that stuff is beyond the Twitter team's technical capabilities.

Re: Twitter's Fucked

#59
post #12

I am probably in a very small minority, but I have never seen the point of Twitter. It has almost limitless potential to destroy your life by taking something out of context and copying it to millions. I shudder to think of the number of times I have made a tasteless throwaway comment or colourful joke that, if taken out of context, would have had dire consequences. It has almost limitless potential to take up all yo…

If you making any sort of product it's a great way to reach your audience (speaking as a game dev here). Also I can follow other dev progress as they post updates to their feed, which I find really interesting! Some people post great stuff.

Additionally I can see all the latest industry news by just scrolling down a simple list. I subscribe to what I want to see, not to all the ISIS propaganda that is news websites these days.

Re: Twitter's Fucked

#60
I agree with a lot of this article, but want to call out this point for discussion:

>This means if you follow someone for what they have to say about professional improv comedy, you also get to hear them trash your religion, berate the intelligence of people who vote the way you do, and otherwise rant about and retweet topics you don’t want to hear about.

This sounds like the author is asking for Twitter to build an echo chamber for him? I would rather not have that for my account tbh and I would like to discourage Twitter from heading in this direction (though it has already started to do some of that).

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