Change phrasing and therefore idea:
Apple products premium price doesn't represent, have, offer or convey any benefit to China buyers.
Apple’s China Problem Is That Local Phones Are Good – And Cheap
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Re: Apple’s China Problem Is That Local Phones Are Good – And Cheap
#52Not reading the article yet since Bloomberg is blocked by the GFW and my VPN is down again, but isn't this what we should expect anyways? As smartphones become more mature and slow down in innovation, everyone else who are value players can more easily catch up, destroying apple's previous leading edge advantage. Basically, when/if smartphones become a commodity, Apple has to move into something else that isn't or jo…
Smartphones have already become a commodity. I wonder what else?
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#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
Rather than dismiss the comment outright, could you elaborate on what part of it is untrue?
UI jank, or lack thereof on iOS. Security, or lack thereof on Android. Relative size of app ecosystems. Whether devs can make money selling apps (hint: it's much harder on Android). Fragmentation. Etc.
saying android is much harder is not factually correct, it varies greatly by the niche of the app/game. some do much better on android then ios store.
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#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
> What does Samsung have to differentiate itself? A logo? As a practical matter, I like that models from Samsung/LG/Mot/etc have a large installed base of users (vs no-name or lower tier Android manufacturers). I think a corollary to Linus' Law should be "Given enough users, all bugs are easily discovered." If there were a low-end brand of Android phones that had a large amount of share, I'd probably consider them in…
I'm currently looking for a new smartphone. Requirements: Cyanogen Mod support, changeable battery, close to 200€, at least 2GB RAM. Only the Samsung Galaxy S4 seems to qualify.
The Wileyfox Swift [1] meets your requirements and is pretty decent and very affordable.
[1] https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wileyfox-Swift-Dual-SIM-Free-Smartp...
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#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
> What does Samsung have to differentiate itself? A logo? As a practical matter, I like that models from Samsung/LG/Mot/etc have a large installed base of users (vs no-name or lower tier Android manufacturers). I think a corollary to Linus' Law should be "Given enough users, all bugs are easily discovered." If there were a low-end brand of Android phones that had a large amount of share, I'd probably consider them in…
I'm currently looking for a new smartphone. Requirements: Cyanogen Mod support, changeable battery, close to 200€, at least 2GB RAM. Only the Samsung Galaxy S4 seems to qualify.
Didn't Cyanogen just discontinue their OS development?
Re: Apple’s China Problem Is That Local Phones Are Good – And Cheap
#56I think the problem is far worse for high end Android manufactures. Apple at least has a unique ecosystem that serves as a point of differentiation. What does Samsung have to differentiate itself? A logo? Apple is a luxury brand and people are willing to pay for luxury goods. If you amortize the additional cost of an iPhone over a year or two it's really not that expensive from a luxury/status good standpoint. Less e…
Samsung S-series appear to have an actually quality edge. Camera -- particular to me; screen; etc.
As for the others... yes. I have concern with China re backdoors, but otherwise, I'm done with the U.S. market and carrier channels, except for Nexus.
I just bought a Xiaomi fitness band directly from Shenzhen. Shipping was a bit ridiculous, percentage-wise, but the band itself was so inexpensive compared to U.S. competition, and it shipped the day it was release to the domestic Chinese market.
Based on that experience, I have no concern with returning to that Shenzhen retailer for a phone, tablet, or whatever else I may want from the Chinese domestic market. And with those items, the air freight cost will be a reasonable percentage of the total purchase cost.
U.S. big business is benefiting from Chinese production costs. Why shouldn't I cut them out of the loop and do so directly, myself?
I don't need their useless mark-up. Nor, in the case of phones and U.S. carriers, their mostly useless and problematic skinning.
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#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm currently looking for a new smartphone. Requirements: Cyanogen Mod support, changeable battery, close to 200€, at least 2GB RAM. Only the Samsung Galaxy S4 seems to qualify.
Didn't Cyanogen just discontinue their OS development?
Cyanogen Inc the company did. There is still Cyanogen Mod the Open Source project.
http://www.cyanogenmod.org/blog/cyanogen-inc-and-cyanogenmod
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm currently looking for a new smartphone. Requirements: Cyanogen Mod support, changeable battery, close to 200€, at least 2GB RAM. Only the Samsung Galaxy S4 seems to qualify.
I got a LG G3 (3GB RAM model) earlier this year and it meets those requirements. I've really enjoyed using it so far.
Thanks for the suggestion. 3GB RAM is great.
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm currently looking for a new smartphone. Requirements: Cyanogen Mod support, changeable battery, close to 200€, at least 2GB RAM. Only the Samsung Galaxy S4 seems to qualify.
The Wileyfox Swift [1] meets your requirements and is pretty decent and very affordable. [1] https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wileyfox-Swift-Dual-SIM-Free-Smartp...
Thanks, I did not see that one before.
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#60Both Apple and Samsung really need something to differentiate premium beyond color finishes and brand. Either add some premium service like some sort of concierge on call, or I dunno some premium UI interface that is definitely measurably better then there is no reason to buy a more expensive phone. App's are all starting to look the same and it doesn't matter anymore. I'm a long time iOS user because I started that…
> While I hate using android I'd probably learn to deal with it's nuisances for a difference of $200.
Give it a shot. I tried Android for 3 years going through 4 different phones because each one sucked (except the Z3 Compact which was incredible but I accidentally broke) and gave up. Back to iPhone now.