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The Strange Politics of Peter Thiel, Trump’s Most Unlikely Supporter

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Re: The Strange Politics of Peter Thiel, Trump’s Most Unlikely Supporter

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The net immigration rate to the US is 0.38%. That's hardly 'mass immigration.' I take it that means he's happy with the status quo? And, if not, when is he going back to Germany?

10% of the California workforce is undocumented 5% of the national workforce is undocumented

... 5% of the working age population, accumulated over the span of decades isn't massive. The fabric of civil society isn't about to unravel.

Re: The Strange Politics of Peter Thiel, Trump’s Most Unlikely Supporter

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He makes up a lot of facts on the fly and then claims that he has been misinterpreted. The whole wall to Mexico thing and have Mexico pay for it is ridiculous. Now he questions the NATO treaties. I haven't heard anything from him that indicates deep thinking about an issue.

I'll be honest I haven't been following a lot of his positions on things other than what spills over into the tech/security folks I follow on twitter and various other sites. I didn't know about the NATO comments but here's what I learned about him just today [0]: (edit: talking about whether Trump would defend Turkey if Russia invaded unprovoked): Trump said he would have to think about whether those countries “have…

Enforcing the obligation means NATO doesn't exist. Only the US and Estonia would be left. Advocating for them to meet the pledge is one thing, but refusing to defend them under the treaty because of it would be catastrophic.

http://www.businessinsider.com/only-us-and-estonia-meeting-n...

Re: The Strange Politics of Peter Thiel, Trump’s Most Unlikely Supporter

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> The billionaire tech investor has been a staunch opponent of immigration. Back in 2008, Gawker found that Thiel had donated $1 million to NumbersUSA, an anti-immigration group that has consistently been labelled racist and a firm fan of active population control. ... > He then invested in the SeaSteading Institute which wanted to turn Thiel’s dream into a reality. The reason? He felt the government wasn’t doing eno…

It isn't you are just changing the mix of who is coming. One could argue that decrease low skilled immigration and upping higher skilled immigration would boost those at the bottom. Raising wages at the bottom while reducing the price of some more complex services.

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Re: The Strange Politics of Peter Thiel, Trump’s Most Unlikely Supporter

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There's nothing admirable about "going against the grain" in itself. Probably most people in the upper echelons of tech wealth don't think it's a great idea to deport Muslims, and don't support Trump. I see no reason to admire someone for having a different opinion on that matter just because it's different . There are lots of ways to "go against the grain" in the way you point out. You could be an unthinking dogmati…

Beautifully explained. There certainly is a lot of Groupthink in Silicon Valley, but that doesn't extend to everything. In Thiel's case, it unfortunately seems like he's turned into one of those rich people who is so far away from how most people live that he does not understand the consequences of some of his ideas. A common problem with the elite: although self-made elites usually have their past to reflect on and…

Why do you think he doesn't understand the consequences of his ideas?

Re: The Strange Politics of Peter Thiel, Trump’s Most Unlikely Supporter

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There is no evidence that Thiel is a genius. There's a large amount of evidence that he is not. And yet people still think that because one of his hundreds of investments made a lot of money that he must be a genius. He's just not who people want him to be. He's not another Musk.

Can you please elaborate on the large amount of evidence that he is not a genius? If you are going to cite some of his investment failures, then you also have to consider his successes, and the fact that he has, overall, been very, very successful.

He did not just have one good investment. He has had many, in addition to founding PayPal and Palantir.

Re: The Strange Politics of Peter Thiel, Trump’s Most Unlikely Supporter

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The net immigration rate to the US is 0.38%. That's hardly 'mass immigration.' I take it that means he's happy with the status quo? And, if not, when is he going back to Germany?

Yes, most people don't realize that the U.S. actually has a super low 0.38% immigrate rate. It's truly extreme xenophobia and racism that these liars who falsely claim "mass immigration" can't tolerate the tiny 0.38% that comes to the U.S. every year. They see a few immigrants in their neighborhoods, and their blood immediately starts to boil, and they get filled up with loathing and hatred. They are total hypocrites…

>They are total hypocrites

Maybe they are angry because people are coming illegally.

Re: The Strange Politics of Peter Thiel, Trump’s Most Unlikely Supporter

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I don't understand how somebody who claims to be fact-driven and rational like Thiel can end up supporting Trump. If anything, he should be disgusted with the whole system and try to change it.

What positions has Trump taken that you feel are against facts and adequate rational?

Have you paid attention at all? Anti-climate change, anti-vaccines, the entire illegal immigration schtick (immigration across the border is net neutral right now), his whole "crime is rising" schtick (it isn't),and the vast majority of [what he says are outright lies](http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/). There is no better way to describe the Trump campaign than to say it is inherently against facts- the only coherent strain in his platform is a denial of reality. The mere idea that a billionaire proposing tax cuts for the super wealthy is "fighting the system" is a delusional, inherently contradictory image.

Re: The Strange Politics of Peter Thiel, Trump’s Most Unlikely Supporter

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The Diversity Myth, a 1995 book [Thiel] co-wrote with David O. Sacks, railed against multiculturalism, which, they wrote, “exists to destroy Western culture.” What is up with all these people lately thinking that Western culture is some form of homogeneous block that's been unadultered for millennia and has recently come under "multiculturalist" attack? Especially coming from the US, a country that didn't exist when…

Considering some of the more recent research that's come out pointing at diversity as a successful business tactic, I'd be concerned about working for any company with Thiel attached to it in an advisory capacity, if only for fear of being outflanked competitively.
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