Licenses of 21,000 Turkish teachers have been revoked

Post by spriggan3 » Tue, Jul 19, 2016, 4:53 PM UTC

madelinecameron wrote: post #34

spriggan3 wrote: post #24

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> Why was everyone screaming democracy when they never had one in the first place? Political correctness. Turkey is defacto ruled by a brutal dictatorship now, the failed coup was the last chance of restoring actual democracy in Turkey. The Turkish constitution is actually good and acknowledge the danger of an Islamic theocracy. The role of the Turkish army is/was to prevent it.They failed.

I don't think they failed as much as they were never meant to succeed. There are just so many places where the military could've outright "taken out" Erdogan but didn't (such as when the "coup" had two jets right next to Erdogan's jet... but didn't shoot then completely backed off) This was completely set-up to round up popular support / not make it look suspicious when Erdogan did exactly this.

Post by dragonwriter » Tue, Jul 19, 2016, 4:54 PM UTC

hx87 wrote: post #40

JohnStrange wrote: post #22

The coup was a last chance effort. Now Turkey has become a totalitarian dictatorship, there is no doubt about that. To be more precise, it already lost its status as democracy years ago when Erdogan had hundreds of prosecutors and policemen fired who dared to investigate corruption within his family. But with the latest purges you've got to wonder where they want to get the replacements from. Any sane person will pro…

> totalitarian Probably the most misused term/epithet in international relations. At its worst Turkey is no more repressive than Russia or China and less repressive than Iran. Once you use "totalitarian" to describe authoritarian regimes, you run out of room to describe those that actually qualify as totalitarian, such as North Korea or Eritrea.

Post by lettergram » Tue, Jul 19, 2016, 4:55 PM UTC

ianai wrote: post #39

lettergram wrote: post #31

It seems more and more (to me at least) that the coup d'état attempt could have been allowed, if not blatantly organized by the ruling elite of Turkey. There's actually a great scene in the end of the Anthony Bourdain Parts Unknown Istanbul episode where someone close to the ruling class (a business owner), makes the following comment[1]: > "Fear works. Fear gets votes." Beyond that, I can't find a clip, but it was t…

That show has been amazing for its relevancy.

Post by hx87 » Tue, Jul 19, 2016, 4:56 PM UTC

heliumcraft wrote: post #35

JohnStrange wrote: post #22

The coup was a last chance effort. Now Turkey has become a totalitarian dictatorship, there is no doubt about that. To be more precise, it already lost its status as democracy years ago when Erdogan had hundreds of prosecutors and policemen fired who dared to investigate corruption within his family. But with the latest purges you've got to wonder where they want to get the replacements from. Any sane person will pro…

This happened before in Iran's revolution, School Deans, and even Hospital Directors were replaced by pro-revolution islamists regardless of education or qualifications. We might see Turkey transform itself into what Iran became. After this they need a War (a la Iraq-Iran war) to keep people distracted and then the changes will be permanent.

Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jul 19, 2016, 4:56 PM UTC

dragonwriter wrote: post #53

hx87 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> totalitarian Probably the most misused term/epithet in international relations. At its worst Turkey is no more repressive than Russia or China and less repressive than Iran. Once you use "totalitarian" to describe authoritarian regimes, you run out of room to describe those that actually qualify as totalitarian, such as North Korea or Eritrea.

> At its worst Turkey is no more repressive than Russia or China This is what is called "setting the bar so low that a mouse could trip over it."