Traditional Ganga singing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XAKuG5_FHw
Dissonant tones sound fine to people not raised on Western music
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Re: Dissonant tones sound fine to people not raised on Western music
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
Having grown up near Seattle, how does the color black represent death? To me, it has always represented either nothingness, like the void of Space, or opting out of an aesthetic choice - I don't know what color car I want to drive, so I'll just get a black one.
Try this: what color is death to you?
Ghosts are usually white.
Re: Dissonant tones sound fine to people not raised on Western music
#53This is a reblog of this 90pt 76comment story from 2 days ago:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12093240
http://www.nature.com/news/poor-musical-taste-blame-your-upb...
Re: Dissonant tones sound fine to people not raised on Western music
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
> no evidence that the human brain contains any hardware for pitch ratio detection. Consonance of simple ratios is a result of a simpler underlying rule, My reading of your link is that it doesnt argue against pitch ratios being fundamental - what it does do is say that ratios are not only happening in chords but also in the sound of a single note, in different ways for different instruments. This is very interesting…
The most fundamental aspect of dissonance is the empirically measured Plomp and Levelt curve. This is approximated as: d(x)=e^(-3.5x)-e^(-5.75x), where x is the difference in frequency between two pure sine tones. (see http://sethares.engr.wisc.edu/paperspdf/consonance.pdf ) If we decompose sounds into sine waves, and sum the values on the Plomp and Levelt curve for all the pairs of sines, weighted by amplitude, then…
The curve describes the (approximate) outcome. It doesnt prove or disprove how brain processes work. What we do know is that the outcomes are related to both these curves and simple ratios.
For me it seems logical that the brain (as a well established pattern matching machine) is probably doing something far more primative than calculating exponential curves. But if thats your view i cant disprove it.
Re: Dissonant tones sound fine to people not raised on Western music
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
The most fundamental aspect of dissonance is the empirically measured Plomp and Levelt curve. This is approximated as: d(x)=e^(-3.5x)-e^(-5.75x), where x is the difference in frequency between two pure sine tones. (see http://sethares.engr.wisc.edu/paperspdf/consonance.pdf ) If we decompose sounds into sine waves, and sum the values on the Plomp and Levelt curve for all the pairs of sines, weighted by amplitude, then…
The curve describes the (approximate) outcome. It doesnt prove or disprove how brain processes work. What we do know is that the outcomes are related to both these curves and simple ratios. For me it seems logical that the brain (as a well established pattern matching machine) is probably doing something far more primative than calculating exponential curves. But if thats your view i cant disprove it.
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Re: Dissonant tones sound fine to people not raised on Western music
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
Having grown up near Seattle, how does the color black represent death? To me, it has always represented either nothingness, like the void of Space, or opting out of an aesthetic choice - I don't know what color car I want to drive, so I'll just get a black one.
Try this: what color is death to you?
In occident there is a general consensus that black is the normal color for death, but in some parts of Asia death is represented by white. This is the reason of karategi being white for example.
Re: Dissonant tones sound fine to people not raised on Western music
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
Having grown up near Seattle, how does the color black represent death? To me, it has always represented either nothingness, like the void of Space, or opting out of an aesthetic choice - I don't know what color car I want to drive, so I'll just get a black one.
Try this: what color is death to you?
Death is a change of state. When a car runs out of gas, what color is that situation? What is the color of an arriving email? The concept doesn't apply well.
Re: Dissonant tones sound fine to people not raised on Western music
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
Having grown up near Seattle, how does the color black represent death? To me, it has always represented either nothingness, like the void of Space, or opting out of an aesthetic choice - I don't know what color car I want to drive, so I'll just get a black one.
Man who runs a funeral business books his hearse in to have the paintwork redone. What colour is it? Woman gets dressed to go to a funeral. What colour dress does she pick out? In large parts of the west, these questions have one answer.
Yet "black tie event" does not imply death, instead it implies a fancy party. In auto racing, a black flag is a penalty, but it's not fatal. The American Express Black card is a symbol of vast wealth, not mortality.
Re: Dissonant tones sound fine to people not raised on Western music
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
Try this: what color is death to you?
In occident there is a general consensus that black is the normal color for death, but in some parts of Asia death is represented by white. This is the reason of karategi being white for example.
Most martial arts uniforms are white. Due to this, it could be said that white is the color of learning to fight.
Re: Dissonant tones sound fine to people not raised on Western music
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
In occident there is a general consensus that black is the normal color for death, but in some parts of Asia death is represented by white. This is the reason of karategi being white for example.
Most martial arts uniforms are white. Due to this, it could be said that white is the color of learning to fight.
Are white in japanese martial arts, for the same reason, but white is not so present in Indonesian schools of martial arts for example. It was supposed to intimidate the oponent. But the context was lost in occident. White were also much easier to clean, so was readily adopted and a practical choice indoors. In real war is not so practical, white gets dust and turns quickly to kaki, other historical uniforms were scarlet red with the purpose of hiding the blood (and vital info about the damage done to his carrier). With fire weapons, all those bright colors turned out to make easier targets and all armies learn quickly to addopt camo.