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Over one million people sign UK petition for second EU referendum

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Re: Over one million people sign UK petition for second EU referendum

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Post by venomsnake »

sklogic wrote: post #37

Over 50% of the country are chavs. There is nothing more stupid in this world than a chav.

And they are chavs that beat you in your own game.

I do think that http://www.vox.com/2016/4/21/11451378/smug-american-liberali... this should be mandatory read before declaring a big group of people that won as inferior.

That is the attitude that as well may get Trump elected. And gave Bernie unexpectedly solid run.

If you think that chavs (hey it is totally ok using slurs as long the receiving end is white) are that stupid - why was referendum given in the first place ... chavs may be stupid, but it seems the Conservative and Labor Eton elites are stupider.

Also sophistication for the sake of sophistication is worthless. British lads from underprivileged background may lack some social polish, but the ones I know are awesome people.

Re: Over one million people sign UK petition for second EU referendum

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Post by jknz »

perlgeek wrote: post #30

That's not how democracy works. If there is a referendum, and you don't like the result, you don't just do a second referendum. If you'd do that, you could achieve any result you want, just by doing it over and over until. Due to voter's fatigue and/or daily sentiment, results will vary, so you can pick a result by deciding when to stop. It might make sense (though still be questionable) to repeat the vote if major f…

Another referendum is unlikely, but the next elections might have the same role.

What if the next elected prime minister is elected on the promise of staying in the EU?

Re: Over one million people sign UK petition for second EU referendum

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Post by pYQAJ6Zm »

curun1r wrote: post #23

The funniest/most interesting part wasn't the call for a second referendum, but the second petition described at the end of the article: A map of the petition signatures showed that most came from England’s major cities, topped by London where there is a separate petition calling on Mayor Sadiq Khan to declare the capital independent from the United Kingdom, and apply to join the EU. I'm not even sure how that could…

I’m fantasizing this scenario: successful independence referenda in Scotland and Northern Ireland, followed by negotiations for their reentry into the EU (and maybe, regarding Ireland, also a call for reunification?); and London’s self-proclamation as a free city-state, establishing free trade and qualified migration agreements with the EU.

But as a naïve foreigner, I can’t judge how plausible this is.

Re: Over one million people sign UK petition for second EU referendum

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Post by dragonwriter »

tim333 wrote: post #32
Oletros wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's not obvious at this point that the EU will still be around a couple of years from now Why?

Other countries look at the UK precedent, Greece leaves, things disintegrate.

This seems to presume positive results in Britain which make it attractive to emulate. That seems, at best, a premature assumption at this point.

Re: Over one million people sign UK petition for second EU referendum

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Post by tim333 »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #8
nreece wrote: post #4

Link to petition: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215 And, as it says: "Government responds to all petitions that get more than 10,000 signatures."

But often the response is "LOL no."

Yeah they could ignore it quite easily. Although it's setting a record for the most signed gov.uk petition yet. Also Boris who was quite popular now seems to have a job going down the street without people booing and yelling at him which will be harder to ignore.

Re: Over one million people sign UK petition for second EU referendum

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Post by verandaguy »

jknz wrote: post #52
perlgeek wrote: post #30

That's not how democracy works. If there is a referendum, and you don't like the result, you don't just do a second referendum. If you'd do that, you could achieve any result you want, just by doing it over and over until. Due to voter's fatigue and/or daily sentiment, results will vary, so you can pick a result by deciding when to stop. It might make sense (though still be questionable) to repeat the vote if major f…

Another referendum is unlikely, but the next elections might have the same role. What if the next elected prime minister is elected on the promise of staying in the EU?

> What if the next elected PM is elected on the promise of staying in the EU?

They won't win the election on that promise alone, and having a full-fledged campaign alongside this kind of promise is a HUGE gambit. Many people would be unwilling to risk a good chance at winning the election over one campaign promise.

Re: Over one million people sign UK petition for second EU referendum

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Post by DanBC »

crdoconnor wrote: post #10

Almost one million people decided the vote. This smacks of sour grapes to me.

UK Government has brought in strict laws for union voting around strike action.

They need a majority of a certain size of a turnout of a certain size.

The referendum had a good turnout (and it's disappointing to call 75% good) but for such an important change 52% vs 48% is pretty close.

That's not good enough for my local bowls club or allotment society or WI.

Re: Over one million people sign UK petition for second EU referendum

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Post by DanBC »

tim333 wrote: post #55
TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But often the response is "LOL no."

Yeah they could ignore it quite easily. Although it's setting a record for the most signed gov.uk petition yet. Also Boris who was quite popular now seems to have a job going down the street without people booing and yelling at him which will be harder to ignore.

The other one was "Don't let Trump in, he's a dangerous idiot" which got over 5million votes. But they ignored that.

Re: Over one million people sign UK petition for second EU referendum

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Post by dragonwriter »

jknz wrote: post #52
perlgeek wrote: post #30

That's not how democracy works. If there is a referendum, and you don't like the result, you don't just do a second referendum. If you'd do that, you could achieve any result you want, just by doing it over and over until. Due to voter's fatigue and/or daily sentiment, results will vary, so you can pick a result by deciding when to stop. It might make sense (though still be questionable) to repeat the vote if major f…

Another referendum is unlikely, but the next elections might have the same role. What if the next elected prime minister is elected on the promise of staying in the EU?

It's quite probable that the next general election will be after the UK leaves the EU. The next prime minister will probably be whoever wins the Tory leadership election this summer, since the Tories have an outright majority.
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