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Comodo has filed for express abandonment of LetsEncrypt trademark applications

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Re: Comodo has filed for express abandonment of LetsEncrypt trademark applications

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Post by technion »

davidgerard wrote: post #28

We are switching our Comodo certs over to Let's Encrypt because certain old Android versions we have to support work with LE certs but not with Comodo. Particularly important for APIs. The 90 day expiry is a bit of a faff, but we've mostly automated it using acme.sh and automated DNS edits, and now we just need load balancer access (we just moved to new hosts). LE is a godsend and fully up to commercial use in our ex…

I've dealt with this issue for years.

Comodo certs have two possible chains. If you want to be supported by older Android (and older iOS) devices, you needed to configure your server to hand out the longer of the chains. When you buy a cert, this is not the chain they will recommend.

This is easy under Linux if you can find the right certs, a huge PITA if you're on IIS.

They do an incredibly poor job of documenting this or informing their support on how to address it.

Re: Comodo has filed for express abandonment of LetsEncrypt trademark applications

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Post by 0xmohit »

philipov wrote: post #26
woodman wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The use of "I" vs "we" has been studied by a lot of people in a lot of different contexts, and intelligent people have arrived at very different conclusions. So I have no idea what a complete lack of attribution means, but I'm leaning towards it being an extreme version of "we". I believe to be an avoidance of personal responsibility and a hamfisted attempt at emotional manipulation, because it has absolutely no infl…

With sentences like 'How is that making internet safer???"' I think a simpler explanation would be that he's Posting On Forums While Drunk.

Assuming that English is his nth language, he could have utilized the services of a proof-reader.

Re: Comodo has filed for express abandonment of LetsEncrypt trademark applications

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Post by MaulingMonkey »

nneonneo wrote: post #27

In the original Comodo forum thread about this issue (where the CEO made some claims about owning the 90-day certificate) there is this new response from a staff member ( https://forums.comodo.com/general-discussion-off-topic-anyth... ): > With LE now being an operational business, we were never going to take the these trademark applications any further. Josh posted a link to the application and as of February 8th it…

> If Comodo was going to let the applications lapse as they claim, why not communicate this at the earliest opportunity?

Poor internal communication between the people talking with Comodo and the decisionmakers? Not wanting to give the time of day to the competition, lest they avoiding wasting their time and resources? Deferring committing to the decision until the last moment, in case they change their mind? I can buy it.

> it is my impression that Comodo could simply have opted to continue the process, but is pretending that they wouldn't have in order to avoid bad press.

Based on my (non-lawyer) understanding, a trademark application sounds very much like "not a trademark", and an application that Comodo would eventually lose thanks to clear and conflicting objections from the people actually using the term. I don't think they could've continued indefinitely. I think they would have eventually dropped the process, if only through inaction by allowing the application to expire. I can buy that they were at the point where they were planning internally to drop the process.

Not out of any noble reasons, mind you - they'd have dropped it earlier, I think, if those were the cause. Filing in the first place may have been an act of bad faith. It's just not in Comodo's best interests to not fight a loosing battle to the point that it looses them the war, so to speak. Although it might be a bit late for that.

Re: Comodo has filed for express abandonment of LetsEncrypt trademark applications

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Post by woodman »

tetrep wrote: post #53

Why do I see this post as "[flagged]"?

This happened on the other link to their message board, and it doesn't surprise me - the CEO has plopped himself in the middle of a very charged issue, making it difficult to discuss the issue without it getting personal. HN is great, due in large part to the moderators knowing what they're doing, but a little more transparency on flagging would be nice (like @dang's unlink and retitle messages). This sort of thing is only going to become more important as information manipulation in old media becomes less effective on people who form their opinions in places like this.

Re: Comodo has filed for express abandonment of LetsEncrypt trademark applications

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Post by Rantenki »

criddell wrote: post #39
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #2

It's amazing how a bit of bad press can expedite such matters. :) Nice try, Comodo, better luck next time.

Even if you forgive them for this, there's plenty of other reasons to dislike Comodo.

There: http://www.myce.com/news/comodo-ships-ad-injecting-https-int... Sure: http://www.infoworld.com/article/2623829/authentication/weak... Are: http://dottech.org/10032/paying-a-price-to-use-free-software...

Re: Comodo has filed for express abandonment of LetsEncrypt trademark applications

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Post by orf »

AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #4

Evidently the company realized they were fighting a losing battle, particularly after the CEO's disastrous response: https://forums.comodo.com/general-discussion-off-topic-anyth...

That whole thread is worth a read. Here is a global forum moderator slating the CEO: https://forums.comodo.com/general-discussion-off-topic-anyth...
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