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US government conducted airflow tests on NYC subway to understand bioterror risk

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Re: US government conducted airflow tests on NYC subway to understand bioterror risk

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In terms of the potential for economic damage, a full-fledged bioweapon attack is not all that much more effective than a low-sophistication attack (or several, staged at the same time). So while it is useful to understand the way subway systems may disperse particles, this kind of research does not reduce the risk of economic damage from low-sophistication attacks targeted at the subway system. It is difficult to ob…

Fear is a huge part of any terrorist endeavor and small invisible particles killing you while you commute is far scarier than someone with conventional arms. Further, NYC subways would be closed for weeks, the US's largest city and an economic powerhouse would grind to a halt. The economic damage is such an event would be huge.

It would be very easy for a single unskilled attacker to kill upwards of 20 people using a conventional firearm or stuff that can be found at any hardware store.

I'd estimate that such an attack would result in the subway being closed for weeks, particularly if several happened successfully a few days apart.

Similarly, small explosions dispersing any remotely harmful smoke or chemicals (even chemicals that are easy to obtain) would be amplified by media coverage, and politicians would close the subways as a knee-jerk response.

Sure, an actual banned bioweapon/chemical would be worse, but my point is that terrorism (the tactic not the alleged existential threat) works because it requires little skill, technology, or access to difficult-to-obtain materials to create fear.

Re: US government conducted airflow tests on NYC subway to understand bioterror risk

#52

In terms of the potential for economic damage, a full-fledged bioweapon attack is not all that much more effective than a low-sophistication attack (or several, staged at the same time). So while it is useful to understand the way subway systems may disperse particles, this kind of research does not reduce the risk of economic damage from low-sophistication attacks targeted at the subway system. It is difficult to ob…

Why are you framing the loss of life solely and exclusively within the bounds of economic damage? Obviously there are cheaper ways to cause more expensive damage. That's not what terrorists care about and that's not what potential victims of terrorism care about.

The point of a terrorist attack on the subway would be to get the subway closed for a while. Every day it is closed, the city suffers economic damage.

The point of a terrorist act causing loss of life is to create the fear that will cause economic damage, not to somehow wipe out lots of civilians.

In a war, the willingness to kill civilians is proportional to the need to do so to make an impact on the opponent's will to fight. Obviously nobody would prefer to kill civilians over combatants, but all militaries will do it without hesitation if circumstances dictate.

Re: US government conducted airflow tests on NYC subway to understand bioterror risk

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A guy in one of my old units used to carry a clipboard in the Army everywhere he went. He explained to us some years later that the clipboard was how he avoided being chosen for work details for years and years. Phenomenally clever idea.

Similar note, I found I could walk out of class anytime in high school and wander the halls as long as I looked sufficiently stressed. As long as you look like you have a purpose people will not bother you (unless you look like you have a purpose that you aren't fulfilling I suppose).

Yeah, totally. It works for avoiding too much attention from authority figures. I will never forget one time I was having a BBQ in an unauthorized area with my mom and ex-wife when this fat Air Force dude rolls by on his Segway. I turned to them and said "Just look like we're supposed to be here" but both of them, not being very good liars, continued with the deer-in-headlights look that guaranteed the guy started asking questions and eventually got us kicked off that part of the beach.
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