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An AI dashcam app designed to rate every driver

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Re: An AI dashcam app designed to rate every driver

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Post by corobo »

golergka wrote: post #49
frgewut wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can imagine a lot of applications for these types of systems: identifying undercover traffic police cars, finding whether someone is following you, identifying friend's cars (similar to FB's "Share your location") People would love such systems (and I'm afraid our privacy is gone for good).

This debate happens on HN again and again, but still: what privacy are you talking about in public space? Nobody has a problem with one person with a dashcam — why suddenly connecting these dashcams to a network that shares information is a problem?

> shares information

Probably that bit

Re: An AI dashcam app designed to rate every driver

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Post by peylix »

golergka wrote: post #49
frgewut wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can imagine a lot of applications for these types of systems: identifying undercover traffic police cars, finding whether someone is following you, identifying friend's cars (similar to FB's "Share your location") People would love such systems (and I'm afraid our privacy is gone for good).

This debate happens on HN again and again, but still: what privacy are you talking about in public space? Nobody has a problem with one person with a dashcam — why suddenly connecting these dashcams to a network that shares information is a problem?

Maybe it has to do with the fact that they're recording all license plates they see, regardless of what they're doing or if they did anything wrong. They will in fact know where you are and what your driving habits are. Apart from your driving behavior, this is surely also going to be something they're going to want to sell to various companies that would find this interesting.

Re: An AI dashcam app designed to rate every driver

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Post by allanb »

golergka wrote: post #49
frgewut wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can imagine a lot of applications for these types of systems: identifying undercover traffic police cars, finding whether someone is following you, identifying friend's cars (similar to FB's "Share your location") People would love such systems (and I'm afraid our privacy is gone for good).

This debate happens on HN again and again, but still: what privacy are you talking about in public space? Nobody has a problem with one person with a dashcam — why suddenly connecting these dashcams to a network that shares information is a problem?

"No one has a problem with strangers seing you on the street, but suddenly when some guy follows you around with a camera it's a problem?"

looking -> recording -> sharing

These are all different things and our behaviour will and should change at each step.

Re: An AI dashcam app designed to rate every driver

#54

Post by golergka »

corobo wrote: post #51
golergka wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This debate happens on HN again and again, but still: what privacy are you talking about in public space? Nobody has a problem with one person with a dashcam — why suddenly connecting these dashcams to a network that shares information is a problem?

> shares information Probably that bit

OK, so if I record a particular driver being an asshole on the street and then put this recording on Youtube as an individual, I would be wrong?

Re: An AI dashcam app designed to rate every driver

#56

Post by mcbrettsy »

golergka wrote: post #54
corobo wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> shares information Probably that bit

OK, so if I record a particular driver being an asshole on the street and then put this recording on Youtube as an individual, I would be wrong?

If you create a database of license plates (profiles) of all cars on the road along with their whereabouts and behavior at any given time, and then sell this information to the highest bidder.... you would be a bit wrong.

Re: An AI dashcam app designed to rate every driver

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Post by JulianMorrison »

kylec wrote: post #40

The real purpose of this app isn't the rating system, that's just the hook to get people to run this app and point the camera out their dashboards. The real purpose is to crowdsource collecting data about the drivers on the road in order to sell that data to interested parties.

Meh, all the purposes are real. It's a win-win. Get warned of idiots, collect data that will be useful to insurers (and probably to self driving cars too, I can imagine Google cars giving detected hotheads a wide berth).

I can see one group of people having a legit beef with this though: car rental companies. One idiot behind the wheel, and their fleet car might as well go straight to scrap.

Re: An AI dashcam app designed to rate every driver

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Post by JulianMorrison »

golergka wrote: post #49
frgewut wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can imagine a lot of applications for these types of systems: identifying undercover traffic police cars, finding whether someone is following you, identifying friend's cars (similar to FB's "Share your location") People would love such systems (and I'm afraid our privacy is gone for good).

This debate happens on HN again and again, but still: what privacy are you talking about in public space? Nobody has a problem with one person with a dashcam — why suddenly connecting these dashcams to a network that shares information is a problem?

Doing things at scale is different. Qualitatively, not just quantitatively. This has been the consistent lesson of big data and the modern internet.

Re: An AI dashcam app designed to rate every driver

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Post by adrianN »

golergka wrote: post #54
corobo wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> shares information Probably that bit

OK, so if I record a particular driver being an asshole on the street and then put this recording on Youtube as an individual, I would be wrong?

In Germany at least you could get into serious trouble. Dashcams are a grey area in German law. The consensus seems to be currently that they're okay for personal use, but making the video public certainly puts you at risk of a lawsuit.
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