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Where the hell are the new MacBooks?

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Re: Where the hell are the new MacBooks?

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paulrpotts wrote: post #41
trurl wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you buy a laptop based only on raw specs, you are in a different market than the vast majority of laptop users. Yeah, I think they call those people developers. > A Macbook, on the other hand, just works, and works extremely well. It is a reliable work horse that does its job without complaining. The hardware and ergonomics fade into the background and you just focus on your work. Except MacBooks max out at 8GB…

I'm having a hard time understanding the idea that a developer needs some kind of massive AV workhorse with 32 GB of RAM. Do you mean animator, graphic artist, or video editor? How much RAM does a compiler, debugger, IDE, and database need? If you are a web developer, are you running a clone of your whole server stack on your laptop, including databases? I'm a developer, and what I want from a laptop is, mostly, a bi…

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Re: Where the hell are the new MacBooks?

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Post by tptacek »

rayiner wrote: post #11
heavymark wrote: post #9

Lol. Yesterday's event was a software event, a jam packed incredibly long one at that. It was so packed they didn't even have time to talk about all the changes to the app store, which is why Apple disclosed that info ahead of time. Not sure when you would expect them to all also announce new hardware. Just download iOS10 and open the new Breathe app, and Breathe. New Macbooks, iPhones, Macbook Pros, and Apple Watche…

It was also incredibly boring as a software event. Extended discussion of emoji, but nothing about Apple's brand-new copy-on-write file system. At a "developers" conference!

Being able to link apps into iMessage is probably a lot more interesting to most developers than APFS is. Very few developers will make a dollar off APFS.

Re: Where the hell are the new MacBooks?

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Post by manicdee »

paulrpotts wrote: post #41
trurl wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you buy a laptop based only on raw specs, you are in a different market than the vast majority of laptop users. Yeah, I think they call those people developers. > A Macbook, on the other hand, just works, and works extremely well. It is a reliable work horse that does its job without complaining. The hardware and ergonomics fade into the background and you just focus on your work. Except MacBooks max out at 8GB…

I'm having a hard time understanding the idea that a developer needs some kind of massive AV workhorse with 32 GB of RAM. Do you mean animator, graphic artist, or video editor? How much RAM does a compiler, debugger, IDE, and database need? If you are a web developer, are you running a clone of your whole server stack on your laptop, including databases? I'm a developer, and what I want from a laptop is, mostly, a bi…

I work with a set of database, API and front end services for which I have a collection of VMs, each based in the same vagrant/puppet specs as the production hosts.

Spinning up a dev environment requires two Linux VMs and a Windows VM for the web service. Then the Visual Studio for C# development kills everything.

I would prefer to spend a bit of extra money for 32GB of RAM rather than a Windows laptop for the VS development.

Re: Where the hell are the new MacBooks?

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Post by kristianp »

manicdee wrote: post #54
paulrpotts wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm having a hard time understanding the idea that a developer needs some kind of massive AV workhorse with 32 GB of RAM. Do you mean animator, graphic artist, or video editor? How much RAM does a compiler, debugger, IDE, and database need? If you are a web developer, are you running a clone of your whole server stack on your laptop, including databases? I'm a developer, and what I want from a laptop is, mostly, a bi…

I work with a set of database, API and front end services for which I have a collection of VMs, each based in the same vagrant/puppet specs as the production hosts. Spinning up a dev environment requires two Linux VMs and a Windows VM for the web service. Then the Visual Studio for C# development kills everything. I would prefer to spend a bit of extra money for 32GB of RAM rather than a Windows laptop for the VS dev…

I guess Apple doesn't care about developers like you with above-average requirements.

They have no incentive to provide more RAM when the average IOS mobile dev only needs an existing MBP or Air. As long as every new mobile app developer is still buying a macbook, why should they bother? Maybe when people start showing up to conferences with non-apple laptops they'll start to think about upgrading!

Re: Where the hell are the new MacBooks?

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Post by gambiting »

paulrpotts wrote: post #41
trurl wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you buy a laptop based only on raw specs, you are in a different market than the vast majority of laptop users. Yeah, I think they call those people developers. > A Macbook, on the other hand, just works, and works extremely well. It is a reliable work horse that does its job without complaining. The hardware and ergonomics fade into the background and you just focus on your work. Except MacBooks max out at 8GB…

I'm having a hard time understanding the idea that a developer needs some kind of massive AV workhorse with 32 GB of RAM. Do you mean animator, graphic artist, or video editor? How much RAM does a compiler, debugger, IDE, and database need? If you are a web developer, are you running a clone of your whole server stack on your laptop, including databases? I'm a developer, and what I want from a laptop is, mostly, a bi…

I'm a C++ developer working in games dev, my machine has 64GB of ram and that's absolutely definitely not enough. I've got a 12-threaded Xeon and just compiling the whole project would take nearly 2 hours on a single PC, distributed it takes 20 minutes(and uses most of RAM). If I need to run my own game servers I'm running from swap constantly(the usage hovers around 90-110GB just for the server + client), we had SSDs installed specifically because of that - but I think IT is already putting together PCs just for programmers with 192 or 256GB of ram. But even working in Unity on a small project, 16GB is bare minimum.

Re: Where the hell are the new MacBooks?

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Post by overcast »

nsxwolf wrote: post #16
overcast wrote: post #6

The real question is where the hell are the new Mac Pro towers? There are people outside of Mom and Dad that require something more than a laptop integrated into a monitor.

It's crazy that they undertook such a radical redesign effort and then appeared to drop it. I'm typing this reply on one right now. I do love the machine, but the fact that there still isn't an official source for SSD upgrades is baffling. Apple has a helpful page on how to swap the SSD, but won't sell you one at any price. You can get OEM parts that "fell off a truck" on eBay, or you can get expensive OWC parts that…

Yeh a radical compact design, that no one asked for in that market space. I'll grant them the iMac crowd, but for everyone else, giving us the ability to easily swap some common components shouldn't have been effectively taken away. I'm not sure how much longer my 2008 MacPro is going to live, and it sucks because I don't have anything to replace it with. Hackintosh might be my ONLY option.
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