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Why I turned down $500K and shut down my startup

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Re: Why I turned down $500K and shut down my startup

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that's why i firmly believe you have to find the idea that you're really interested in because that's what will pull you through those 70+ hour work weeks or through those days where you're on the brink of failure wanting to fold shop. there are many ideas that are interesting and probably could be good businesses (lifestyle or startup), but can you overcome all those things not just on sheer will power, but just bec…

Or bootstrap a lifestyle business with an idea that you're really interested in and spend exactly as much time as you feel like working on it, making money and not answering to investors.

awesome, you sound like you have experience creating a lifestyle business. i'm in the midst of starting one myself.

Re: Why I turned down $500K and shut down my startup

#52

I have to say, I don't agree with this part at all: "But most of the time, customers don’t really want the the features they are asking for. At least not very badly." Customer feedback drives an absurd amount of our roadmap at Cronitor. We have a good idea of the many shortcomings of our product and are constrained primarily by resources in developing it faster. When a customer -- especially somebody on a trial -- pu…

Maybe you're wrong. It's worth considering.

Re: Why I turned down $500K and shut down my startup

#53
> I left my job in January so i could work on ContractBeast 70+ hours a week. The rest of the team kept their day jobs. That was fine. It made my final decision easier.

Reading between the lines here, I'm picking up some resentment. I think an underlying cause of the decision to walk away from ContractBeast might have been a specific subtype of founder burnout -- the kind that happens when you feel like you're pulling more than your share of the weight, and/or you feel like you're more committed to the company/project than the rest of your team is.

There's a downvoted comment at the bottom of this thread stating that the commenter would never give this guy money. That's a bit harsh, but at another point in the comment he makes a very (IMO) valid observation that burnout is at play here and the author should have taken some time off. That rings true to me.

Also,

> Weeks of brainstorming and dozens of hypotheses later, we had nothing. Not a single, plausible way of providing our users with the instant gratification their cerebella so desperately crave.

> With no clear path forward, investors ready to wire funds, and the team ready to quit their day jobs, I decided to pull the plug.

Is it just me or does this seem like there's a big hole in the plot here? The whole team spent several weeks trying to figure out how the product was going to get traction, came up with zero good ideas, and everyone's still ready to quit their jobs and work on this full-time?

Assuming this is accurate and absent further details, I can think of two non-mutually-exclusive hypotheses for how this might have actually happened:

1) "We had nothing" was really "I had nothing". Either because of a failure on the part of the author to communicate with the team, or their indifference upon hearing the author's description of the problem in question, the only person really working on solving the problem was the author. To the extent that this was the case, it would certainly have exacerbated the "I'm working way harder on this than my cofounders are" burnout described above.

2) It's also possible that the other prospective cofounders and/or early team members were aware of the headwinds facing ContractBeast and just really, really hated their day jobs and were thinking, "I honestly don't even give a shit if this company works out, I just want to go somewhere I can get paid while not having to deal with my current boss, and if it fails it's not a big deal, it's a startup, they fail all the time and I'll be able at a minimum to use the newfound flexibility in my schedule and relative seniority in the organization to make myself much more available for interviews at other companies."

Re: Why I turned down $500K and shut down my startup

#54

Hi. Tim here. I'm delighted that this article struck such a chord. I'll try to answer the most common questions here. I wish I could answer everyone directly. 1) I called it off before anyone sent money or quit their jobs. The only one who lost money or a job because of ContractBeast was me. If the money was in the bank and the team on board we would have gone ahead. That's why I had to make that decision when I did.…

When PayPal started, they were beaming money between PDAs. Then after a while when their curves were no good, they noticed that some confused users thought that their Confinity website that described how to beam money, was actually the place itself to transfer money to others. Then they pivoted. Then this new product was not viral. Then they started paying $10 when you open the account.

Re: Why I turned down $500K and shut down my startup

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post #54

Hi. Tim here. I'm delighted that this article struck such a chord. I'll try to answer the most common questions here. I wish I could answer everyone directly. 1) I called it off before anyone sent money or quit their jobs. The only one who lost money or a job because of ContractBeast was me. If the money was in the bank and the team on board we would have gone ahead. That's why I had to make that decision when I did.…

When PayPal started, they were beaming money between PDAs. Then after a while when their curves were no good, they noticed that some confused users thought that their Confinity website that described how to beam money, was actually the place itself to transfer money to others. Then they pivoted. Then this new product was not viral. Then they started paying $10 when you open the account.

Please don't down vote this comment. He is making a salient point about why it might not be a good idea to quit at such an early stage. Whether it was the right decision for Contract Beast or not, he is trying to provide a counterpoint to the idea of giving up by providing an alternative anecdote. Some people in a similar situation could use the boost.

Re: Why I turned down $500K and shut down my startup

#57
500K is not a lot of time. It's six months with a small team and maybe not even that considering you need to either have time to pitch another round of funding or get to the point where you can pay the bills independently. If you don't see a path to something strong enough to get you to the next level in that amount of time, there is no choice but to walk away.

Every idea to fix it takes time to develop, and with whatever time remains you have to make progress with sales and the existing customer base. With any given product and the right team you can get there, but the only way to get the right team to commit is with a passionate belief that you will get there before you run out of money.

If you spend the time trying to build a roadmap out of whatever options you can come up with, and none of those options give confidence given time and budget constraints... well, then you've done all you can do. It's not hard to come up with a list of reasonable options to move forward with, but it is hard to come up with one that's worth committing to.

If you've grown to the point where you can man up and make the decision to walk away early, you have a good future.

Re: Why I turned down $500K and shut down my startup

#58

I have to say, I don't agree with this part at all: "But most of the time, customers don’t really want the the features they are asking for. At least not very badly." Customer feedback drives an absurd amount of our roadmap at Cronitor. We have a good idea of the many shortcomings of our product and are constrained primarily by resources in developing it faster. When a customer -- especially somebody on a trial -- pu…

the horribly over used Ford quote: > if i'dve asked people what they wanted, they'd have said faster horses. is applicable here, much more so than in the battlecries of every company making something no one wants for some hypothetical market that doesn't exist. While I don't understand the author's biz/space enough to comment situationally, this is a key insight. People almost always miss this. Users want to get to p…

The weird thing is, isn't it obvious that the first thing to do is to replicate all of the functionality of the customers' current package? It's nice to get a laundry list of possible future features, but when testing indicates that people are only using it for the minority of their contracts which fit the software, that's a signal that besides the laundry list, the software is still incomplete. Did they really shut down due to an inability to prioritize enhancements? Kinda sounds that way, but runway is runway.

Re: Why I turned down $500K and shut down my startup

#59

"I was deciding whether this venture was worth committing to another year of 70+ hour weeks. I need a higher level of certainty than investors do because my time is more valuable to me than their money is to them. Investors place bets in a portfolio of companies, but I only have one life." That's the key quote in the article. It's a fair decision from his standpoint but I wonder if saying that will lead investors to…

If the situation were really "take the money and do 70+ hours a week for a year" versus "shut down the business" then I'd agree, but that's a false dichotomy. You can run a startup putting in far less time than that; putting in long hours is a choice. You can bring in a team or outsource the parts you don't like. It makes it harder to succee but it's an option. You could (depending on lots of caveats) simply hand the business over to someone else.

I respect the author for admitting he didn't want to run the business, and I realise it was his choice to stop in the face of any other options, but I really don't agree with the idea that running a startup requires 70+ hours a week and if you're not willing to put that time in you have to shut down.

Re: Why I turned down $500K and shut down my startup

#60

Hi. Tim here. I'm delighted that this article struck such a chord. I'll try to answer the most common questions here. I wish I could answer everyone directly. 1) I called it off before anyone sent money or quit their jobs. The only one who lost money or a job because of ContractBeast was me. If the money was in the bank and the team on board we would have gone ahead. That's why I had to make that decision when I did.…

Tim, I only have your perspective to go by, however, from what you describe, I agree that you did the right thing.

On the bright side, you still have Contract Beast on the back of your mind and if you ever do think of an interesting solution then you'll be in a good position to test it out.

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