Live data from Hacker News

Jason Calacanis’ Backup Plan For Replacing Content: Steal It From Wikipedia

smackdown.blogsblogsblogs.com

51–60 of 74 posts

Re: Jason Calacanis’ Backup Plan For Replacing Content: Steal It From Wikipedia

#51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is why I said that he is wearing those peril-sensitive sunglasses: if I remember correctly, they would prevent you from seeing anything that could disturb you.

No, they're so that you can maintain your cool attitude in the face of extreme danger. (Because you can't see it).

Actually at one point they are described as hiding things that might disturb you too (massive massive hitchikers fan :-))

Re: Jason Calacanis’ Backup Plan For Replacing Content: Steal It From Wikipedia

#52
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kinda off topic, but I think he's right about wikipedia serving ads. They have so many page views, they could put up a couple of image or text ads on the side and make it look very tasteful--unlike mahalo and the other ad filled pages of the internet. Expanding on that, maybe they could only serve non-profits, giving them ridiculously low click or view rates. How could Jimmy Wales not be interested in that?

It would release a hornet's nest worth of issues. For example advertisers might change articles in which their ads appear in order to influence click-troughs. Then contributors will ask for a cut of the money. Then nobody will donate because they have to look at ads anyway. Then advertisers will start demanding from their sales people that certain content be changed or taken off "or I will remove my ads." So it shoul…

To really think about it now, it's truly remarkable that such a powerful entity can exist in such a material world, free of spam, ads, etc. I don't think we cherish this great resource as much as we should.

Re: Jason Calacanis’ Backup Plan For Replacing Content: Steal It From Wikipedia

#53
post #18

Calacanis' fantasy all along was to own Wikipedia but fill it full of ads. He used to rant endlessly about how much money they'd make if they monetized Wikipedia. Mahalo is his attempt to make a seedier low-brow version of Wikipedia that's ad-laden. This move should not be a surprise. That's just my opinion though.

Kinda off topic, but I think he's right about wikipedia serving ads. They have so many page views, they could put up a couple of image or text ads on the side and make it look very tasteful--unlike mahalo and the other ad filled pages of the internet. Expanding on that, maybe they could only serve non-profits, giving them ridiculously low click or view rates. How could Jimmy Wales not be interested in that?

Making money off volunteers tends to make those volunteers disappear. Restricting themselves to charity may help, but it'll be an endless debate that will hurt them a lot.

Re: Jason Calacanis’ Backup Plan For Replacing Content: Steal It From Wikipedia

#54
post #18

Calacanis' fantasy all along was to own Wikipedia but fill it full of ads. He used to rant endlessly about how much money they'd make if they monetized Wikipedia. Mahalo is his attempt to make a seedier low-brow version of Wikipedia that's ad-laden. This move should not be a surprise. That's just my opinion though.

Kinda off topic, but I think he's right about wikipedia serving ads. They have so many page views, they could put up a couple of image or text ads on the side and make it look very tasteful--unlike mahalo and the other ad filled pages of the internet. Expanding on that, maybe they could only serve non-profits, giving them ridiculously low click or view rates. How could Jimmy Wales not be interested in that?

I'd say they could go for pure sponsorships - just a set of logos with a link to each sponsor's homepage, under the heading "Wikipedia Gold Sponsors". Very few options to sponsor a reduced part of Wikipedia (i.e. sensible to allow on language level, not at keyword level). Probably still would make the foundation a healthy sum of money each year - many large corporations would like to be seen as good-hearted contributors to the world's largest source of free curated information.

Re: Jason Calacanis’ Backup Plan For Replacing Content: Steal It From Wikipedia

#55
I'd be curious to know what the position of Mahalo's investor's are in this debacle? Are they aware of what they're investing in?

(for reference, Mahalo's investors include Mark Moritz, Elon Musk, Mark Cuban and Ted Leonsis)

I'd be willing to setup a scraper site this weekend if they want to give me money too.

Re: Jason Calacanis’ Backup Plan For Replacing Content: Steal It From Wikipedia

#56
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kinda off topic, but I think he's right about wikipedia serving ads. They have so many page views, they could put up a couple of image or text ads on the side and make it look very tasteful--unlike mahalo and the other ad filled pages of the internet. Expanding on that, maybe they could only serve non-profits, giving them ridiculously low click or view rates. How could Jimmy Wales not be interested in that?

Wales could put three Google text ads on the front page and finance the entire operation.

Really? My experience with Wikipedia is that topic pages are frequently the first result in Google so I don't think I've seen the homepage in at least a year.

Re: Jason Calacanis’ Backup Plan For Replacing Content: Steal It From Wikipedia

#57

He seems to follow the wikipedia licence.

Actually, no he doesn’t. Just linking back to the Wikipedia page is insufficient. To whit:

> You must include a copy of, or the Uniform Resource Identifier (URI) for, this License with every copy of the Work You Distribute or Publicly Perform. [...] You must keep intact all notices that refer to this License and to the disclaimer of warranties with every copy of the Work You Distribute or Publicly Perform. [...] If You Distribute, or Publicly Perform the Work or any Adaptations or Collections, You must [...] keep intact all copyright notices for the Work and provide, reasonable to the medium or means You are utilizing [...]

Mahalo has a link to the CC-BY license 3.0 (even though the link is oddly titled "CC License 2.0"). It is not acceptable to take content from wikipedia (licensed under CC-BY-SA 3.0) modify it, and release it under a different license with conflicting terms.

This could be cleared up by unambiguously stating on the Mahalo pages that the content was available under the CC-BY-SA license 3.0, and providing a link directly to the terms of the license.

Re: Jason Calacanis’ Backup Plan For Replacing Content: Steal It From Wikipedia

#58

Why should I care about this? Because right now, I don't, and I'm about ready to start flagging any article that mentions Jason Calacanis. If you hate someone and what they do, don't give them reams of free press! Nobody would ever have heard of him or Mahalo if it hasn't been for people whining about him/it on their blog... Also, the GFDL, one of Wikipedia's licenses, says you can "copy and distribute the Document i…

I'm beginning to suspect that some or all of the Mahalo/Calacanis stories here are submitted by himself, just to get the names known.

Re: Jason Calacanis’ Backup Plan For Replacing Content: Steal It From Wikipedia

#59
post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kinda off topic, but I think he's right about wikipedia serving ads. They have so many page views, they could put up a couple of image or text ads on the side and make it look very tasteful--unlike mahalo and the other ad filled pages of the internet. Expanding on that, maybe they could only serve non-profits, giving them ridiculously low click or view rates. How could Jimmy Wales not be interested in that?

I'd say they could go for pure sponsorships - just a set of logos with a link to each sponsor's homepage, under the heading "Wikipedia Gold Sponsors". Very few options to sponsor a reduced part of Wikipedia (i.e. sensible to allow on language level, not at keyword level). Probably still would make the foundation a healthy sum of money each year - many large corporations would like to be seen as good-hearted contribut…

Even if they adopted an official policy of allowing criticism, there would still be a stigma to including criticism in articles about the sponsors.

Re: Jason Calacanis’ Backup Plan For Replacing Content: Steal It From Wikipedia

#60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kinda off topic, but I think he's right about wikipedia serving ads. They have so many page views, they could put up a couple of image or text ads on the side and make it look very tasteful--unlike mahalo and the other ad filled pages of the internet. Expanding on that, maybe they could only serve non-profits, giving them ridiculously low click or view rates. How could Jimmy Wales not be interested in that?

Making money off volunteers tends to make those volunteers disappear. Restricting themselves to charity may help, but it'll be an endless debate that will hurt them a lot.

People still volunteer to help at the Olympics, but I suspect you're right that adding ads would cause people to leave the community
Post reply on HN