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Magic Leap Alleges Workers Stole Its Secrets

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Re: Magic Leap Alleges Workers Stole Its Secrets

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Maybe I should have done on record somewhere sooner, but this is exactly what I expected out of secretive companies like this. Raise a bunch of money, produce nothing of substance, then have some kind of lawsuit action bring in some dough. I'm not sure what the end goal is, but if we ever have a single product from this company I'll be surprised.

You really think suing two ex-employees is their plan to make money? Most of the money those employees have is the money MagicLeap paid them.

Nobody said it was a good plan.

Re: Magic Leap Alleges Workers Stole Its Secrets

#52
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is particularly interesting since Gary Bradski is also a Co-Founder of Industrial Perception Inc., a robotics company that Google acquired in 2013. Reportedly Bradski walked away from Google right after the deal to join early Magic Leap, leaving lots of cash on the table and Google stock unvested.

Bradski is also the creator of OpenCV, an industry standard computer vision library.

He wrote the Learning OpenCV book but I'm not sure it's accurate to say he created openCV... It was created by intel internally (by a ton of folks like Vadim Pisarevsky) and later open sourced.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenCV

Re: Magic Leap Alleges Workers Stole Its Secrets

#53
post #28

The reluctance for people to be skeptical of anything to do with Magic Leap is strange to me. How is their product not rightly described as vapor ware? I feel like I've been hearing about how amazing it is for ages and still...nothing. Stories like this aren't helping me change my mind either.

> The reluctance for people to be skeptical of anything to do with Magic Leap is strange to me.

The propensity for people speaking for others trust channels is strange to me, but people still do it. Selling ones own beliefs on the coat tails of others beliefs probably isn't the best way to hard sell skepticism in a brand. That said, I'm more skeptical of Magic Leap's intent than yours, given I trust them about as far as I can throw a whale.

I applied for a job at Magic Leap. I applied for a cloud architect position, because I believe this technology is far more dangerous and insidious than we can begin to imagine. In fact, I believe it could be used to alter people's ability to perceive reality in a way that is life altering to the person wearing the device. I also think that other humans will use that altered realty to control each other.

This device should be impeccably secure, open, and transparent. The reality is that it will be full of security holes, closed source and geared toward profitability of the brands that makes them.

Augmenting one's vision without a new form of software security is going to be a really bad idea. A person in a crosswalk could be made to disappear for the occupants of a car. Drawing a gun in a man's hand could cause a police officer to shoot him.

Subject matter as disturbing as this leads to dissonance in humans, as we have a hard time understanding/simulating all the ramifications at the outset. Dissonance from that misunderstanding leads to confusion and polarization. Polarization leads to endless arguing and rationalizing. And, nothing gets done in the meantime, other than the few people running the company getting richer on all the people gobbling up their products because they think they have to have them because everyone else does too. (I rationlize this is an observation, but it's still pretty blame-y). And, the worse part is, none of them will be really thinking about how bad guys can make really bad things happen when you can change what people see with a piece of code.

As for the job, well, I found their HR process error prone, the rhetoric about the technology disingenuous, and their lack of proper scheduling worrying. Busting meetings is not a great start to hiring people, or securing advanced technology from ill doers.

Re: Magic Leap Alleges Workers Stole Its Secrets

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bradski is also the creator of OpenCV, an industry standard computer vision library.

He wrote the Learning OpenCV book but I'm not sure it's accurate to say he created openCV... It was created by intel internally (by a ton of folks like Vadim Pisarevsky) and later open sourced. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenCV

No, it is accurate. He was at Intel when it was created, and meeting notes suggest that he had been leading the project.

https://github.com/Itseez/opencv/wiki/Meeting_notes

Re: Magic Leap Alleges Workers Stole Its Secrets

#55

I don't know if ML's tech is vapor or real, but I have a lot of respect for anyone who can get Larry Page to give them half a billion in cash. That right there is some seriously convincing talking.

fair point. I'd add that if a person has $10+ billion, already (or whatever his net worth is), then you can afford to risk blowing a few billion, here and there, on things which might turn into a loss. On the upside, he'd be better off and humanity would be better off. On the downside even if his bet failed and he and therefore the Page estate got reduced to a mere, say, $100 million in net wealth he and his children could still live out pretty good lives.

In other words, it might not have been as hard to convince him as one might think. "Gee, I can invest a big amount in a Theranos/MagicLeap/SpaceX or I can put it into the next random/fad-ish social/pic/buzz/RailsCRUD/BigData/leadgen/TODO/PM/cloud/viral/app startup. Hmmm, choices."

Re: Magic Leap Alleges Workers Stole Its Secrets

#56
post #39

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And maybe I have the secret to cold fusion open in a text file in front of me. Are you looking for an investment opportunity?

am i allowed to say "lmao!" on hn?

I hope you've learned your lesson.

Re: Magic Leap Alleges Workers Stole Its Secrets

#57
post #37

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Old school term from the 60's. Here's a book about it. http://www.amazon.com/Artificial-Reality-2nd-Myron-Krueger/d...

Yeah, I saw the history of the term from Wikipedia, but curious as to why they dug it back up.

Probably because it confuses nicely with AR while offering some neat marketing opportunities.

Re: Magic Leap Alleges Workers Stole Its Secrets

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It'a hard to believe they'd have $1.4 bn in funding without giving some tech demonstrations o their investors.

Clickle raised a bunch of money from high profile people, and it was nothing but vapor.

You probably are referring to Clinkle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinkle

HBO's 'Silicon Valley' Tackles an Uncomfortable Topic http://fortune.com/2016/05/22/silicon-valley-confronts-mista...

Re: Magic Leap Alleges Workers Stole Its Secrets

#60
post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He wrote the Learning OpenCV book but I'm not sure it's accurate to say he created openCV... It was created by intel internally (by a ton of folks like Vadim Pisarevsky) and later open sourced. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenCV

No, it is accurate. He was at Intel when it was created, and meeting notes suggest that he had been leading the project. https://github.com/Itseez/opencv/wiki/Meeting_notes

Leading a project inside a company != creating the thing.
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