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Facebook will show ads to non-Facebook users on other websites

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Re: Facebook will show ads to non-Facebook users on other websites

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Again, I deplore the colossal waste of human effort and talent that is going into building a sophisticated panopticon for the noble purpose of better targeted advertising . For fuck's sake, what a waste of the best minds of our generation.

Of course this comment was downvoted. I really want to know what's the opposing view to this statement. Who's going to step forward and say why they think this is wrong? At the very least, make an argument like "the AI needed to trick a teenager into spending half their awake time on Facebook can also be used to solve actual problems."

- spam free, virtually limitless storage free email

- free video delivery channel, that has created its own industry

- communication tool that has changed news delivery & how people organize protests

- free chat communication (with e2e encryption) for nearly everyone in the world (including some of the poorest)

- on demand data center infrastructure at ridiculously low cost

- instantly freely searchable data set of most of the worlds written information

- self driving cars

- ubiquitous hand held computers

- free easy to use video conferencing

- a social network that connects a gigantic part of the planets population (if you are into that sort of thing)

Just some of the mind boggling technology at least partially funded by internet ads in the last 15 years.

Are there issues that have arisen? Of course, what sort of funding model doesn't have downsides? Acting like working for pay from advertisers constitutes some sort of modern Gallipoli is such a vacuous argument in the face of the staggering amount of tech it has at least partly helped bring about, I'm shocked that the comment hasn't been down voted more.

Re: Facebook will show ads to non-Facebook users on other websites

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post #47
post #3

Surprised they weren't doing that already. Facebook has javascript injected on a lot of sites, always assumed that they'd collect a shit ton of data whether you are a user or not. Also, all ad blockers block google analytics like tracking services but social plugins are generally opt in. I guess they should be blocked by default too.

I assume they've been tracking through Like buttons (clicked or not) for a few years, and now they've collected enough data to know how best to monetize it.

Indeed, even though they've claimed for years that the Like button tracking was "just a bug" (twice). In the Belgium lawsuit they're claiming it's for security. Facebook is hilarious (-ly evil).

We're going to need strong tracking protection in browsers by default, and very soon. If Mozilla won't do it (you can enable it in History settings, though), probably Brave, or some upstart browsers will. Same goes for uBlock and other extensions.

Re: Facebook will show ads to non-Facebook users on other websites

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post #30
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

wc -l /etc/hosts == 11846 About 90% are blocked sites. The rest is local (privat and business) dev configuration.

serious question, doesn't having such a big hosts file affects performance somehow?

$ wc -l /etc/HOSTS 220572 /etc/HOSTS

Not only doesn't it have any negative performance impact, it makes most websites 10x faster.

(And no, there's no dead weight in there. Every single one of those is still resolvable as of a month ago.)

Re: Facebook will show ads to non-Facebook users on other websites

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Will Mozilla finally make ad blocking the default or do we need yet another organization that can stand up to corporate pressure and money going forward to do so? That's my only question: who if anyone will bring a web browser to market that blocks ads and thereby malware by default?

Re: Facebook will show ads to non-Facebook users on other websites

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post #9

Begins? I though they were already tracking everyone who saw a Facebook badge anywhere on the internet already. Or were they just trying to track the users who were not logged in at the time?

They WERE tracking you already. Now they're throwing ads at you.

Re: Facebook will show ads to non-Facebook users on other websites

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post #3

Surprised they weren't doing that already. Facebook has javascript injected on a lot of sites, always assumed that they'd collect a shit ton of data whether you are a user or not. Also, all ad blockers block google analytics like tracking services but social plugins are generally opt in. I guess they should be blocked by default too.

uMatrix blocks all those things by default. At least 50% of sites I go to have facebook and twitter embeds. If a site doesn't load properly with cross site links blocked, most of the time I won't bother with it.

Re: Facebook will show ads to non-Facebook users on other websites

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post #50
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With fingerprinting, what's the point of all this? Browsers and Internet commections now have enough discoverable stuff via HTTP and JS to identify users uniquely enough that in 99% of cases the user's session can really get a unique id! Across publishers! Without third party cookies!!

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/random-agent-...

That's great, but once you factor in all the people who downloaded this plugin and are otherwise slightly harder to fingerprint, it's still 99% accurate!

So now what?

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