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Re: Russia’s new FindFace app identifies strangers in a crowd with 70% accuracy

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Technology increasingly exposes the superficial nature of concepts like privacy and security. In nature, these things simply do not exist. They are also completely non-essential to human well-being. Our emotional attachment to such concepts is not doing us any favours.

Also, you can't be rooting for transparency AND privacy at the same time. You have to give up on one of these, and when you think about it, you have to conclude that the losing idea is that of "privacy".

Re: Russia’s new FindFace app identifies strangers in a crowd with 70% accuracy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, this evolution became obvious more than 10 years ago. Btw, Snowden is about illegal mass surveillance by the government (in collaboration with tech corporations). The app mentioned in the article however only connects publicly and legally available data (the consumer's fault).

Agreed with everything except "The consumer's fault." It's the data age now; information about you will make its way into the global repository without any direct action on your part. - If you're a professional, someone is providing a way for your customers to audit interactions with you - If you're a driver, someone is tracking your car's movements - If you buy products, someone is tracking you bought them - If you…

buying products means tracking card payments. Maybe that was just the start, then fidelity cards followed, and even Amazon tracks what you search. And Google to sell you ads.

Re: Russia’s new FindFace app identifies strangers in a crowd with 70% accuracy

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That's the thing with personal pictures online. Most people can't imagine what is going to happen in the future. People on Hacker News well understand this issue, but ask your non-computer friends and family. If you'd tell them, that you can take a picture of a random person and search that picture out of a pool of people and get their contact info (as a private company / random programmer with enough data), they won…

This is an unbelievably ridiculous argument, the government has data on almost entire population thanks to all sort of identification cards and other innumerable sources of data. Why should corporations and other people be denied the same access & privilege. You are spreading pure FUD, out of ignorance and misplaced sense of paternalism. The reality is that most people correctly understand the trade-off between priva…

I wrote a piece about this phenomenon two years ago:

http://magarshak.com/blog/?p=169

Re: Russia’s new FindFace app identifies strangers in a crowd with 70% accuracy

#55

Technology increasingly exposes the superficial nature of concepts like privacy and security. In nature, these things simply do not exist. They are also completely non-essential to human well-being. Our emotional attachment to such concepts is not doing us any favours. Also, you can't be rooting for transparency AND privacy at the same time. You have to give up on one of these, and when you think about it, you have t…

Yes, I fully understand that I am the ONLY anti-privacy advocate on HN. I accept all of your downvotes and hold no grudges :) But you are all wrong.

Re: Russia’s new FindFace app identifies strangers in a crowd with 70% accuracy

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post #9

That's the thing with personal pictures online. Most people can't imagine what is going to happen in the future. People on Hacker News well understand this issue, but ask your non-computer friends and family. If you'd tell them, that you can take a picture of a random person and search that picture out of a pool of people and get their contact info (as a private company / random programmer with enough data), they won…

To the best of my knowledge, I've removed all the pictures associated with my name from the internet... with the exception of LinkedIn.

Re: Russia’s new FindFace app identifies strangers in a crowd with 70% accuracy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can imagine things getting to the stage where someone not being findable on the face register is considered suspicious enough for police attention.

Being recognized by police and being recognized by random John Doe are different things.

They won't be.

Re: Russia’s new FindFace app identifies strangers in a crowd with 70% accuracy

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post #9

That's the thing with personal pictures online. Most people can't imagine what is going to happen in the future. People on Hacker News well understand this issue, but ask your non-computer friends and family. If you'd tell them, that you can take a picture of a random person and search that picture out of a pool of people and get their contact info (as a private company / random programmer with enough data), they won…

Two approaches to stave off the inevitable come to mind:

1. Do whatever it takes to be "behind the curtain" and one of the people who is in a position to do the exploiting, rather than being exploited. (It's up to you what you do with that power.)

2. The opposite of signal is noise. The same hackers who build these Big Brother tools will inevitably build the tools that flood Big Brother with noise. Disinformation campaigns will always be capable of re-training the surveillance machine.

Re: Russia’s new FindFace app identifies strangers in a crowd with 70% accuracy

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post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is an unbelievably ridiculous argument, the government has data on almost entire population thanks to all sort of identification cards and other innumerable sources of data. Why should corporations and other people be denied the same access & privilege. You are spreading pure FUD, out of ignorance and misplaced sense of paternalism. The reality is that most people correctly understand the trade-off between priva…

So what you're saying is, just because our governments collect everything, everybody else should be allowed to do it too, or stop worrying? The fight for privacy is not for us, it's for generations to come.

>> So what you're saying is, just because our governments collect everything, everybody else should be allowed to do it too, or stop worrying?

Yes, Strong corporations and public rights, are necessary to ensure, that government does not becomes too powerful. And there is at least some balance of power.

>> The fight for privacy is not for us, it's for generations to come.

Please define "us"?

"us" or "people" or "generations" are rhetorical devices, with little basis in reality. The romantic notion of "people" quickly disappears when those people either organize into corporations or political parties. At certain level Corporations & Governments are people, or aggregate expression of will of the people. The economies of scale necessitates strong corporations which can protect "people" from government and vice versa.

Re: Russia’s new FindFace app identifies strangers in a crowd with 70% accuracy

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Technology increasingly exposes the superficial nature of concepts like privacy and security. In nature, these things simply do not exist. They are also completely non-essential to human well-being. Our emotional attachment to such concepts is not doing us any favours. Also, you can't be rooting for transparency AND privacy at the same time. You have to give up on one of these, and when you think about it, you have t…

Yes, I fully understand that I am the ONLY anti-privacy advocate on HN. I accept all of your downvotes and hold no grudges :) But you are all wrong.

> Please resist commenting about being downvoted. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading.

> Please don't bait other users by inviting them to downvote you or announce that you expect to get downvoted.

Consider the guidelines regarding worthwhile contributions next time, please. :)

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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