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We discovered our parents were Russian spies

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Re: We discovered our parents were Russian spies

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Surprised not a single mention of "The Americans" which sounds very similar (and a great show). Edit: my bad. I did a search and it didn't return anything.

If only you had done a search with your eyeballs, by reading the article.

I did read over 2/3 and was surprised not to see the reference to that point. I also did a search but included "s which found the commenter who also expressed surprise at the "omission" so I thought I was on firm ground. My apologies.

Re: We discovered our parents were Russian spies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The law is not necessarily stupid, but an exception, if possible, probably should be made in this case, on moral grounds, since the kids seem to be victims of a situation they played no part in creating.

There are seven billion people in the world who are victims of not being born Canadian citizens. The distinguishing fact of these two is that their parents pretended to be Canadian; but while I have sympathy for the kids, it seems that it would be a bit perverse to say that if parents lie to their kids for long enough then we have a duty to make those lies come true.

Not a duty. But I still think it would be the humane thing to do.

Re: We discovered our parents were Russian spies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are seven billion people in the world who are victims of not being born Canadian citizens. The distinguishing fact of these two is that their parents pretended to be Canadian; but while I have sympathy for the kids, it seems that it would be a bit perverse to say that if parents lie to their kids for long enough then we have a duty to make those lies come true.

Who is saying anything remotely like "if parents lie to their kids for long enough then we have a duty to make those lies come true"? Unless you're claiming 7 billion people in the world were born in Canada, the most distinguishing fact about these two is obviously not that their parents pretended to be Canadian.

Unless you're claiming 7 billion people in the world were born in Canada

Not at all. I'm claiming that 7 billion people are not Canadian citizens due to the circumstances of their birth.

Re: We discovered our parents were Russian spies

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I assumed at the time, and at the time of other similar busts, that US counterintelligence (mostly but probably not entirely the CIA), is aware of some number of persons doing illicit intelligence-gathering here. Whether, when, and whom to arrest and deport I take to depend on factors including whether our agents have been arrested, whether there is some other point we need to make, etc. I would not be surprised to learn that more than another ten Russian agents remained known or at least suspected, but unmolested for various reasons: to protect informants, to channel information or misinformation through them, or simply to have someone to arrest a few years down the road.

Re: We discovered our parents were Russian spies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are seven billion people in the world who are victims of not being born Canadian citizens. The distinguishing fact of these two is that their parents pretended to be Canadian; but while I have sympathy for the kids, it seems that it would be a bit perverse to say that if parents lie to their kids for long enough then we have a duty to make those lies come true.

Who is saying anything remotely like "if parents lie to their kids for long enough then we have a duty to make those lies come true"? Unless you're claiming 7 billion people in the world were born in Canada, the most distinguishing fact about these two is obviously not that their parents pretended to be Canadian.

Interesting that I've suddenly, just now, received no less than two downvotes on the above (otherwise popular) post and my post above it (4 simultaneous downvotes on just two posts), despite this currently sliding down Page 5 of HN.

To be legit, that's at least two separate people coincidentally downvoting the same day old posts at the same time, on a Page 5 submission.

Re: We discovered our parents were Russian spies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who is saying anything remotely like "if parents lie to their kids for long enough then we have a duty to make those lies come true"? Unless you're claiming 7 billion people in the world were born in Canada, the most distinguishing fact about these two is obviously not that their parents pretended to be Canadian.

Unless you're claiming 7 billion people in the world were born in Canada Not at all. I'm claiming that 7 billion people are not Canadian citizens due to the circumstances of their birth.

> Not at all.

Then, as I said, the most distinguishing fact about these two is obviously not that their parents pretended to be Canadian.

There really is no point in arguing this since you believe the circumstances of someone born in Canada, raised to some extent in Canada, and having an affinity with Canada are analogous to someone who doesn't even know Canada exists, like a large proportion of that 7 billion you talk about.

BTW, did you edit your other post? Not that it changes anything, but I don't remember it saying "victims of not being born Canadian citizens" when I replied.

Re: We discovered our parents were Russian spies

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post #44

The most interesting thing for me is how easily KGB survived the fall of the USSR. Not only did they seamlessly continue all their espionage programs started during the Cold War, but they also easily came back into full power in less than a decade, appointing one of their agents as the ruler of Russia for life. This shows the power of any major secret service. They can do literally anything they want. They don't care…

This is why having been born just out of dictatorship in Portugal, and knowing how the McCarthy worked out, why I always wonder how US citizens have this glamours idea that their secret services follow some kind of law, besides their own agenda.

What did McCarthy have to do with the secret services of the US?

Re: We discovered our parents were Russian spies

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post #58
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why having been born just out of dictatorship in Portugal, and knowing how the McCarthy worked out, why I always wonder how US citizens have this glamours idea that their secret services follow some kind of law, besides their own agenda.

What did McCarthy have to do with the secret services of the US?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism
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