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Facebook bends the rules of audience engagement to its advantage

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Re: Facebook bends the rules of audience engagement to its advantage

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Kill your Facebook. Seriously. You'll feel so liberated. And showing people pictures of your recent life when you meet them or email them is so fun and you get so much more attention and conversation out of it. Best decision of my life!

I deactivated my Facebook account for over three years, reactivating about 18 months ago. There is an initial feeling of liberation, but I ended up regretting it. I realize now that I should have just shaped my use to fit my needs: unfriend or unfollow people I don't care to follow, write more messages rather than scrolling through the newsfeed, and join events and groups more deliberately. Deactivating was just an e…

Everyone has different experiences with this stuff. I deactivated for a while, then went back and 'curated' the hell out of it. After I did that, I realized the only interactions I was getting from it for a while could mostly be had via other websites, in-person, by phone and text, and deactivated a few months back again. Although yesterday, I logged in solely to download a picture my wife wanted I had of her then instantly deactivated again, if that counts.

Since I weaned myself down majorly by curating the content severely for a while, almost no one had been griping to me about 'why aren't you on facebook?' when I stopped using it this last time. And I feel even less compelled to go back on. I enjoy having a sense of privacy, free time to do other things (I have that 50 minutes a day/whatever to do other stuff with now), and I think a better respect for the value of the precious time left in my life. I hope I never get drawn back in to using it.

Re: Facebook bends the rules of audience engagement to its advantage

#53

> As a company spokeswoman, Jessie Baker, told me: “The time people spend on our site is a good measure of whether we’re delivering value to them.” Eh, the same argument could be made by Philip Morris or a casino: "The time people spend using our products is a good measure of whether we're delivering value to them."

Some people do enjoy smoking and/or gambling. Not everyone is a victim being exploited

Re: Facebook bends the rules of audience engagement to its advantage

#54

Kill your Facebook. Seriously. You'll feel so liberated. And showing people pictures of your recent life when you meet them or email them is so fun and you get so much more attention and conversation out of it. Best decision of my life!

I didn't deactivate, but I made my profile link to my personal website and haven't logged in for a couple years.

Re: Facebook bends the rules of audience engagement to its advantage

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I still don't see ANY value in using facebook besides giving to the market my personal data. I just don't understand why this is so popular.

If I wanted to use a social network, I would use one where I can contact new people of interest, not the one I can talk with when I open my window but I won't because I use facebook.

Re: Facebook bends the rules of audience engagement to its advantage

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> As a company spokeswoman, Jessie Baker, told me: “The time people spend on our site is a good measure of whether we’re delivering value to them.” Eh, the same argument could be made by Philip Morris or a casino: "The time people spend using our products is a good measure of whether we're delivering value to them."

Some people do enjoy smoking and/or gambling. Not everyone is a victim being exploited

Some people do enjoy heroin and/or being a slave. Not everyone is a victim being exploited.

In other words, I really don't know what you're trying to add to the conversation.

Re: Facebook bends the rules of audience engagement to its advantage

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> As a company spokeswoman, Jessie Baker, told me: “The time people spend on our site is a good measure of whether we’re delivering value to them.” Eh, the same argument could be made by Philip Morris or a casino: "The time people spend using our products is a good measure of whether we're delivering value to them."

Some people do enjoy smoking and/or gambling. Not everyone is a victim being exploited

And some people are legitimately addicted and unable to stop despite their sincere desire. In many cases, companies engineer products and services to be as addictive as possible. The techniques used by casinos, for instance, are well known.

This is not an argument for regulation, prohibition or anything like that. Merely a rebuttal to the falsehood that nobody is being "exploited" by such companies and that "value" is being created. In many cases value is being destroyed.

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Some people do enjoy smoking and/or gambling. Not everyone is a victim being exploited

And some people are legitimately addicted and unable to stop despite their sincere desire. In many cases, companies engineer products and services to be as addictive as possible. The techniques used by casinos, for instance, are well known. This is not an argument for regulation, prohibition or anything like that. Merely a rebuttal to the falsehood that nobody is being "exploited" by such companies and that "value" i…

At the end of the day society has to decide, are we going to let people make there own decisions or are we going to decide for them? It might very from topic to topic (ex: tobacco vs. unhealthy foods), but it's one definitive answer per topic.

Re: Facebook bends the rules of audience engagement to its advantage

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Some people do enjoy smoking and/or gambling. Not everyone is a victim being exploited

Some people do enjoy heroin and/or being a slave. Not everyone is a victim being exploited. In other words, I really don't know what you're trying to add to the conversation.

Just because you might find the experience mundane or meaningless and you may not be able to fathom why anyone would willfully use such a product doesn't mean that the users are being exploited. It's very condescending and offensive when you compare casual users of a social network that you may not like to real exploitation through chemical dependence or abuse.

Re: Facebook bends the rules of audience engagement to its advantage

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I get value from Facebook just like I get value from Hacker News, Reddit, Messenger, etc. It literally helps me connect to people in the real world - I just discovered Tycho's new album through there, planned a trip to a festival with friends there, just filled up my weekend, and discovered a new area I'm going to go rock climbing. If you are getting no value from Facebook, you're probably not using it correctly - wh…

You should be proud of that. It's exactly what FB wants you to do.

What kind of argument is this? Of course it is what FB wants, but this doesn't automatically make something bad.

Having protected sex is exactly what Trojan and Durex want you to do...

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