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Re: One-third of SF Bay Area residents hope to leave soon, poll finds

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Post by bronson »

oxryly1 wrote: post #31
jseliger wrote: post #8

Makes sense. I wrote a piece called "Do millennials have a future in Seattle? Do millennials have a future in any superstar cities?" ( http://jakeseliger.com/2015/09/24/do-millennials-have-a-futu... ) that focuses on Seattle, but the problems in SF are even worse. We're seeing decades of parochial land use policies turn into affordability crises in SF and similar cities. Which is why so many people are moving to Texa…

You can have good mass transit or affordable housing, but not both. This sucks.

Or, as the Bay Area demonstrates, neither.

Re: One-third of SF Bay Area residents hope to leave soon, poll finds

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Post by superuser2 »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #48
oxryly1 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can have good mass transit or affordable housing, but not both. This sucks.

> You can have good mass transit or affordable housing, but not both. Why's that?

Good mass transit increases demand for housing in its coverage area, increasing prices.

Re: One-third of SF Bay Area residents hope to leave soon, poll finds

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Post by cylinder »

Xcelerate wrote: post #26

Is the Bay Area no longer a good place to start a career? I'm close to finishing up my PhD, and my original plan was to apply to work at the tech companies that I find most interesting. For the most part, these are located in the Bay Area — although some are in New York, Austin, Boston, Seattle, Raleigh, and Atlanta. I figured I would stay there 2-4 years tops though, since my family and girlfriend live in the southe…

Nothing wrong with that. The costs only start to bother you as you get older and have been there a while and want to plan your next 10 years. Especially nice if you know you want to settle in the SE eventually (although your prferecnes may change...).

Re: One-third of SF Bay Area residents hope to leave soon, poll finds

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Post by Cyph0n »

zappo2938 wrote: post #41
jonstokes wrote: post #4

Please don't come to Austin. I moved from SF to Austin a little over two years ago, and I want to make it clear that it's terrible. The food is bad, the people are lame, and all the musicians are out of tune. I hear Chicago is where it's at, so please go there. Or New York. Or anywhere else, really. Just don't come to Austin.

I just want to add that Fort Lauderdale is a horrible, horrible place too. We don't have a tech industry here so you won't find work.

Maxim and Motorola seem like nice places to work, for me at least ;)

Re: One-third of SF Bay Area residents hope to leave soon, poll finds

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Post by trhway »

raverbashing wrote: post #46
trhway wrote: post #3

Hope too, in 20 years, retire to Latin America :) Until that, I have to work, and BA is the only place where a programmer can work.

> and BA is the only place where a programmer can work. Yes, in exactly none of the big cities in the USA there is programming being done, let alone medium cities. Nothing in NYC, nothing in Chicago, Seattle, Boston, Austin, DFW, Minneapolis, Portland, etc Only on SFBA Sure

Haven't tried myself, yet huge crowds of incoming people can't be that wrong :)

In particular i think only CA has non-recognition of non-competes (and moonlighting protection too if i remember right) while the rest of US - doesn't.

Re: One-third of SF Bay Area residents hope to leave soon, poll finds

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Post by davidw »

jonstokes wrote: post #4

Please don't come to Austin. I moved from SF to Austin a little over two years ago, and I want to make it clear that it's terrible. The food is bad, the people are lame, and all the musicians are out of tune. I hear Chicago is where it's at, so please go there. Or New York. Or anywhere else, really. Just don't come to Austin.

Please do come to Bend (although not all at once - at 80K, it's not big enough to absorb that many people at one time). But bring your anti-NIMBY hat!

It's time the US grew up a little bit and realized that moving to "the next place" and repeating the same patterns that made the first place too expensive isn't going to work.

Re: One-third of SF Bay Area residents hope to leave soon, poll finds

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Post by jimbokun »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #40
easuter wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hear you'll have a lower life expectancy in Chicago...but that's just what I gather from the news :(

It's not actually that bad. But we probably make more of an effort to be aware of our surroundings. I've never been robbed, but I've known from a young age that you never leave anything valuable visible in your car.

I thought he was referring to all the beer, brauts, and deep dish pizza.

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/bill-swerskis-s...

Re: One-third of SF Bay Area residents hope to leave soon, poll finds

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Post by rubicon33 »

windlep wrote: post #5

I'm sure the fact that there's an increasing trend of empty Chinese investment properties isn't helping. I grew up in Cupertino, and when I visit my parents there, I'm rather shocked at how downhill the neighborhood has gone in parts. It's crazy that these old 70's tract homes go for 1.5 million. Even more insane is that they're bought and then left empty to go downhill. Literally broken windows and paint falling off…

> "I'm sure the fact that there's an increasing trend of empty Chinese investment properties isn't helping."

This. This. This.

A couple of years ago, I found myself utterly shocked by the price of homes in San Francisco. In a fit of frustration, I fired off a few emails a few random real estate firms in SF, asking one simple question:

"Who the BLEEP can afford these homes?"

You see, I was frustrated. I have a great job, great pay, and yet I can't even come close to buying a home in the city I live in.

The responses I got were jaw dropping, if not infuriating. The #1 purchaser at 2 of the 3 firms I emailed, were foreign investments. Unused, speculative, investments.

I am shocked that land isn't more protected in this state. It seems strange to me, that someone living thousands of miles away, can buy a piece of land with a home on it, thereby shrinking the available market, and driving up the price of housing. This means people who live in, work in, and contribute to, their local community, can't even afford to buy a home there.

The fact that this isn't seen as a full on crisis, confuses and saddens me.

Re: One-third of SF Bay Area residents hope to leave soon, poll finds

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Post by avn2109 »

oxryly1 wrote: post #31
jseliger wrote: post #8

Makes sense. I wrote a piece called "Do millennials have a future in Seattle? Do millennials have a future in any superstar cities?" ( http://jakeseliger.com/2015/09/24/do-millennials-have-a-futu... ) that focuses on Seattle, but the problems in SF are even worse. We're seeing decades of parochial land use policies turn into affordability crises in SF and similar cities. Which is why so many people are moving to Texa…

You can have good mass transit or affordable housing, but not both. This sucks.

>> "...but not both."

What about Chicago. Way cheaper than New York, and has the second best train system in the country.

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