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Re: AMD stock up 52%

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Why? Is anyone else surprised that up 50% is $4?

Why do you think the price per share is relevant?

Sometimes brokers don't allow you to margin (borrow against or sell short) stocks below $5.

Sometimes funds have covenants on not buying stocks below $5 because they are considered penny stocks and funds want to claim they focus on quality.

Surprisingly, couldn't immediately find a good academic research paper on behavior of low-priced stocks. A priori -

- very expensive stocks might be a little cheaper than they otherwise would be, high cost makes them harder to buy for individuals and low cost funds.

(e.g. if Berkshire Hathaway stock is $200,000, an individual with a $100,000 portfolio can't buy it, and even a pretty big portfolio can't fine-tune exposure with a lot of granularity. Hence, some enterprising fellows started funds that would just own Berkshire and sell shares in smaller increments, and Buffett got annoyed at that and launched Berkshire B, which sells for $146).

- very low priced stocks might be more volatile and show interesting behavior at certain thresholds, penny stocks below $1 might be overpriced since it's a hotbed of speculation, stocks that cross $5 might experience some excess selling so they might be underpriced, on the other hand they might experience some short covering as they become unmarginable for some.

But anyway, companies usually aim for a stock price in the $10-100 order of magnitude because that's the area where even relatively small investors wouldn't have a problem fine tuning their exposure.

Price < $5 is usually an indication it's well off its high.

Re: AMD stock up 52%

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Reminds me that Zen is coming in a few months too. bandwidth rumors: http://techfrag.com/2016/04/02/first-amd-zen-benchmarks-leak... CERN rumors: http://seekingalpha.com/article/3961536-amd-zens-release-wil...

OT: Seriously, I cannot read the seekingalpha article without installing their app? No way! Ad-blocking-related or is this the same for everyone?

I get the same when I click Read the Full Article

Re: AMD stock up 52%

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It is quite surprising that AMD has been undervalued for so long. Would't be surprised by more radical upwards corrections.

I have a slightly different take on AMD these days, in that I don't think they were undervalued, at least not too much, but rather I think they saw the direction the future held and jumped at it, thinking they would be ahead of intel, mostly in their understanding of the merging of cpu and gpu. I simply think they did it a bit too fast and left their other offerings with too little resources, but now that they are using the 14nm and 16nm manufacturing process, Zen is poised to be a much heavier hitter than I think most people understand yet.

So they werent undervalued too much, but they are now, and so I think you are probably correct about more radical upwards corrections.

I am especially excited to see their server cpus with zen. My favorite machine I have ever built is actually an AMD machine, and I built it fairly recently because there are some models in which they excel. (Its a quad opteron 6380 system for a total of 64 cores at 2.5ghz, and I did it for less than 5k$ Something I theorycrafted while in bioinformatics, though I didnt get to buld it until I was no longer in that industry.)

Also, I'll say that I have been looking at building a new system for my gamedev purposes, and I have concluded that I am going to wait for Zen. If they miss the q4 2016 release though they may lose the mindshare momentum they are bulding up.

Re: AMD stock up 52%

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It could also be something fishy. Stock prices are sometimes inflated like this to make a safe exit just before something disastrous happens.

Inflated on purpose? That'd not be legal

Laws are like locks: they only keep honest people honest.

Re: AMD stock up 52%

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- Intel plateaued, no significant user-appreciated progress in the past 5+ years

- problems with scalable 10nm, 14nm might be the next 28nm for a while and all manufacturers will catch up, obliterating Intel's major advantage

- Zen might be sufficiently competitive with older Core chips on performance, power and price, better on GPU side (hopefully not another Barcelona)

- all major consoles run on AMD

- Polaris vs Pascal

- they might survive until 2017 and have cash to produce new chips

Re: AMD stock up 52%

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I was just thinking these past few days how AMD is highly undervalued and would likely see a big boost from the launch of Zen. Since Zen is still not launched yet, I think there's opportunity for the stock to grow even up to 100% or more from where it was. As a little side note, I think it's fantastic that AMD is replacing its E-series APUs that used Atom-like CPU cores in low-end notebooks, at a time when Intel is d…

I sure hope AMD can compete on both price and performance with Zen but: As you say it is not released yet, let's hope they really achieve a 2016 rollout. Is there really any money in the lowend notebook market for CPU vendors? I think what Intel realizes is that no one really wants a fan in a notebook. Not consumers (noise), not manufacturers (less parts, cheaper). For some the performance is worth the noise, but tha…

Schools in the developed world are doing massive notebook-sized buildout. Power consumption is the driving force in data-center buildouts. The big data center buyers have a major incentive to make sure they have more than one supplier.

Re: AMD stock up 52%

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because while logically the price is irrelevant, in practice is isn't. Prices below $5 often indicate that a company is in trouble. Which I think is what the unfairly downvoted comment above was referring to.

A stock is just an arbitrary fraction of the capital stock, therefore the price in absolute value of a single stock is completely irrelevant. Suppose a company has a market value of $1,000. The company can divide its stock into 1,000 one-dollar shares, or into 500 two-dollar shares. Either way in makes no difference as far as the total worth of the company goes.

The NASDAQ market, which AMD is in, and the NYSE require that the price of its stocks are traded at or over $1 to avoid delisting.

Re: AMD stock up 52%

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Anyone care to predict if I invested say $1,000 ASAP open trading, if I would be up or down 24 hours after that?

"Buy when everyone is selling and Sell when everyone is buying."

I reason about jumps like this in terms of two components. A 'real' component and an 'emotional' component. When a stock moves it moves R% + E%, for real and emotional. The real component in this case seems to be the 200MM+ deal they struck that. R and E are of course unknown, the big investors make their money calculating these values as best they can.

Calculating R is hard to do precisely for an amateur (such as me), but E has a nice predictable effect. E mostly consists of the uncertainty of the big investors, and the opportunism of the speculative traders.

I mostly do reactive investments based on stock that has just moved in some significant way that companies that I have a lot of fundamental knowledge in (mostly IT industry companies).

The way it works is I make a bet on whether the cause for the stock move has any fundamental effect on the future of the company. If I feel I can make that bet more accurately than guys reading the news sitting in cubicles analyzing graphs and industry summaries then I assume I can make a ~5%+ profit on a trade (with a chance of a similar loss of course).

For example: The launch of the Kindle Fire by Amazon was a complete flop. This was widely anticipated, I felt very confident in that it would flop. The AMZN stock dropped as people lost confidence (E) in the Fire and I bought when I felt it was pretty much solid that everyone agreed that the Fire had flopped. Unfortunately I was naieve, and a few weeks later Amazon released its earnings report that undeniably confirmed the flop, and E was eliminated, and R adjusted causing another drop. At this point I was in the negative, so there was a lesson for me there. Anyway, my bet was that the Fire was just some largely irrelevant side strategy for Amazon. Sure they invested too much, and their chance for rivalling Apples iPad or whatever insane plan they had was ill conceived, but it was just something they had to try. The big plan of Amazon however did not suffer from this failure. They were still on track to becoming the force of nature they want to be so the lack of confidence (negative E) of the daytraders was in my opinion unjustified. A few months later this showed, the dip of the Fire was gone, and if I sold then I would've made a cool ~10%.

I didn't sell though as I thought Amazon was a cool company to hold stock in for the long term, so the bet was just a gimmick to get some long term stock for cheap. I ended up making a lot more money on AMZN than I expected as for some reason the fact that Amazon makes a lot of money on AWS was big news to the financial world and slapped a big markup on the stock after which I sold, because I don't pretend to actually know what an Amazon stock should really be worth.

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